Google Changing the PageRank Algorithm?

By Daniel Scocco

If things keep at this pace I might rename this blog to Daily Google Tips. Over the last two weeks we have been talking about Google every other day. This time it is the PageRank buzz again.

Both Problogger and Copyblogger, two of the most popular blogs on the niche, announced that their PR dropped from 6 to 4. Previously other authority blogs confirmed that they lost PR, but the suspect was towards paid links. Given that Problogger and Copyblogger are not selling links, it might be just a readjustment on the PR scale.

Some people are arguing that since the PR drop is not generalized, it must be a slap from Google due to practices that conflict with its guidelines. Andy Beard suggested that the sites that got penalized were either selling links or exchanging them inside large blog networks. This is a feasible explanation given that most of the Weblogs, Inc blogs (Engadget above all) were penalized, and they do not sell paid links either.

Here is a list that I gathered with big blogs that supposedly lost PR on this issue:

Update: It looks like mainstream websites that were selling links were also penalized:

Update 2: After reading through the avalanche of posts on the subject, it appears that this is not a PageRank update but rather a distribution of penalties (either automatic or manual). The theory that the penalized blogs were either selling links or part of a network that used a cross-linking strategy seems to hold.

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576 Responses to “Google Changing the PageRank Algorithm?”

  • Deep

    Well, it’s pretty much straight that google wants to lower the value of PR in the mind of people.. basically, people do anything to get high PR and then sell links so fluctuating PR on random basis might lower the value of PR and poeple might start giving more importance to other factors (site visitors etc..) before buying the links / ads.

    • Property Software

      I have heard that Google updates their page rank algo thrice a year and the next one is due in December 2010. So watch out for huge changes in your PR’s in December !

  • Daniel

    My assumption might not be correct though Deep, I am talking with some friends right now and will update the post soon.

    • Dhar

      Agree

      Dictionary

  • Maris

    My blog also dropped from 5 to 3 but I’m pretty happy that traffic remains the same. I removed all my sold links and link exchange partners. Will see if this helps to receive back PR.

  • Patrick Burt

    The PR resources I checked mentioned problogger is still at 6. What resources are you guys using?

  • Daniel

    http://livepr.raketforskning.com/

    Some datacenters will still show a 6, but there are many 4’s there, so its changing over time towards the 4.

  • TipsoSaurus

    oh! my god! this is soooo bad. Problogger deserves 10 page rank! I really think that google should stop acting evil and must concentrate on making the things better or rather improving the Pagerank in a way that it doesn’t give too much weight to the paid links…but penalizing like this is not really good.

    Although, one thing is sure that these sites now really don’t depend on the traffic from google.

    Hey guys..continue selling the links 😀

  • Darren

    Deep – I thought it could be them just lowering the overall value of PR – but how come some blogs are down and some are not?

    The text link selling theory doesn’t add up for me – as quite a few blogs that have been hit in the last 24 hours don’t sell them.

    The blog network theory could have something to it – although some of the blogs that I’ve seen hit are not in blog networks – or at least are not fully participating in link exchanges – and other blog networks seem untouched despite interlinking (like TechCrunch’s network).

    Maris – you’re experience is the same as mine PR is down but traffic is stable from Google. So ultimately for me it doesn’t matter – but it is odd and something I hope Google gives some insight on.

  • Baris Unver

    My blog’s PR stayed as 0, hooray.

  • Dave

    Networking could be the issue – maybe Google have decided that because many networks interlink their sites when they are not related, they are going to penalise them (as if they were a paid-for directory).

    I’d love to hear Google actually comment on what they are doing, rather than leaving everyone to guess.

  • Deep

    Darren – I think what could have happened is, they would have picked some xx number of blog, ran a random script which will lower the PR on random basis.. but this PR won’t affect google’s internal PR ranking… this PR is just to show the people and lower the value of PR…

    I personally don’t think having a blog network or being part of blog network should affect the PR..I don’t see anything wrong in having a blog network and linking to all their blogs.. this is bit natural that if a person is having xx no. of things then he is going to list all together..

    If blog network was the issue then it would have affected google’s own blog too..

    for example: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/ links to all of its network blogs and most blogs of that network also links back to google’s official blog as well as other network blog and still their PR is high (e.g. http://buzz.blogger.com/)

    So, I think, blog network can’t be the issuse but I still feel it is just random PR lower thing, nothing else..

  • Andrew Flusche

    Google slammed me from 5 down to 3. But now that I’m seeing all these other changes, I don’t feel so bad.

    Fortunately, my search traffic has stayed steady.

    I’m still going to clean out some paid links and try to be more “valuable” in Google’s eyes.

  • Jacob Share

    My HP went from 4 to 2 and I haven’t a clue why.

    I haven’t sold any links on it for over a month, I’ve never done a link exchange and have always been careful to follow the Webmaster Guidelines.

    That said, since I don’t actively run after PR, I’ll still sleep tonight but I would still like to know what happened.

    As if.

  • thomas

    I went down one rank also. I first thought it had to do with dmoz not giving juice anymore, but it seems to be something else.

  • Paula Neal Mooney

    JohnChow.com is a PR 4, down from a PR 5 when I wrote this post:

    PAULA NEAL MOONEY: PageRank Dropped from 5 to 4 … Thank God it didn’t drop to zero!

    PaulaNealMooney.com dropped from 5 to 4 to now a 3 — but they also penalized me so I don’t rank for “Paula Mooney” nor “blogger salaries” nor other stuff anymore.

    Sucks, but I’m glad I’m focused on my other websites — which I hope get a PR soon…

    Great post again, Daniel.

  • Stephen

    As a resident voice on SEO, I can’t help but weigh in on this one.

    My working theory isn’t that all of these sites have necessarily been penalized, especially considering many of them are doing nothing wrong. Rather, I believe that the sites linking to them have been largely devalued.

    Consider this: The primary audience for many of these sites are bloggers. These sites derive their popularity from others who are quite likely being penalized. Now that the algorithm has been changed and all those links have lost their juice, the popular blogging niche sites are losing PageRank as a byproduct. It’s regrettable, but largely unavoidable.

    I’ll keep everyone apprised if I come across a better explanation, but that’s the best I’ve got for now. Honestly, it’s a bit of a head-scratcher, but this is why it’s never advisable to put all your eggs into the Google basket.

  • Jerry

    Its really sad to know that all the hardwork can be taken away by the “all mighty google” .The just wanna show how powerful n controlling the can be. Mine is has a PR 0 and am still alive and kicking!Don’t lose your sleep..

  • Easton Ellsworth

    Know More Media has about 100 interlinking blogs and our PageRanks appear not to have changed – nearly all 6’s across the board for the blogs’ home pages.

  • Daniel

    Easton, yeah I checked you guys and it was fine. Gawker media, Crunch Network and GigaOM seem to be fine as well.

  • JoeTech.com

    Wow… Some of those sites took a big hit. What really matters is the fact that these sites will undoubtedly lose a lot of search engine traffic. I’m just glad I’m still holding my PR5.

  • Vincent Chow

    Now I don’t feel as bad for my PageRank drop from 5 to 4.

  • Karthik

    I don’t think any of you would complain if you heard of Google’s woes. Google doesn’t rank for “search engine” on google.com! How about that for being ironic?

  • Daniel Harrison

    I noticed my Spy Gadget Blog dropped PR5 to PR3. My directories have dropped 2 points too.

  • Daniel Harrison

    Just wondering, it might be due to the quality of directory and blog links being downgraded, and therefore sites with PR based on those have been hit.

  • Technobuzz.net

    oh! my god! thats so bad.

  • Court

    I have now been hit with a -2 and I’m not selling links and I’m not part of a blog network. Is it possible that Google is going to hit all blogs? If so I think it’s very odd and stupid. If not, there isn’t any reason to penalize my site.

  • Ashish Mohta

    I have small guess, Not sure but possibly

    Google can find when you were linked and In how much time for a particular article…If they find high amount of linking all of a sudden. They can go for manual check

    If you made a good story and true find…its not considered as positive linking. But if you did by giving money or creating useless competition that can create a problem

    I know one thing for sure that Google have both auto and manual check. They should be having some script to find sudden linking and then find exact nature with manual.

    Do correct me If I am wrong.

  • Cigar Jack

    I got hit and dropped from a 4 to a 2.

  • Venomous Kate

    My PR5 blog went down to a 3 overnight. My PR4 blog went to a 3 last week and is now down to a 2.

    Granted, since I do sponsored reviews I expected a little bit of a drop but nothing like this.

    If Google are doing this to protect their Adsense revenues from competitors like TLA, then I think it’s safe to say Google has repositioned from being a search engine to being more of a corporate sponsor.

    As for me, I just sold off my Google shares. No, I don’t think it’s going to hurt them, but it felt better than slamming my head against my keyboard all morning. Made a nifty little profit, too.

    I’m going shopping.

  • Keith Dsouza

    It really should not affect most of the SERP’s but Google or atleast Matt Cutts should make an annoucment on what the hell is going on.

  • Geekissimo

    too in italy…

    my geeks blog http://www.geekissimo.com from 5 to 3…..

  • Egon

    Yeah, AutomoBlog.net went from PR5 to PR3. I wonder how this is going to affect advertisers. Come on Google, let us know what’s going on.

  • Sarat Chandran

    Wow…with all the dropping PRs, my blog still remains at PR5. The sad thing is, I don’t post there now. It has not been updated for *nearly* a month now.

  • Chris Jacobson

    That’s very harsh! I’m still at a PR1. Hopefully I don’t get a 0!

  • valerie

    ALL of my sites have dropped, even those that don’t sell links. My main one, though, went from a 6 to now I see today a 3. I don’t know much about SEO and so I’m at a loss. I assumed it was because of sold links but some friends are still hanging at 7 though they also do the paid link thing. I don’t get it…

  • Caribbean Web Development

    any word on new sites getting a pagerank for the first time?

  • Daniel

    I am waiting for some PR gain on http://www.dailywritingtips.com as well, but so far it looks like on the down balls have been distributed :) .

  • Thilak

    Mine was dropped from 6 to 4, but I really think Google should come up with a better, fool-proof strategy to eliminate the whole text ads thing.

    Maybe, pulling down the whole pagerank thing (or atleast hiding it from public should do the job), but then they could also come up with something like a tool through which webmasters can report paid links on their pages.

    This way, Google can penalize advertisers instead of penalizing poor publishers.

  • Andrew

    google.. piece of shit

  • bradman1965

    PR is outbound juice, inbound Google traffic should not be effected.

  • Sarah

    I’m not a big blog, but I dropped from a 3 to a 1, and have jumped to a 6, depending on when I check. I’ve given up on checking my google score, and have basically said screw it with them.

  • Clint

    Actually, if you look at it, it doesn’t seem like any sites are above 5. Maybe 5 is the new maximum.

  • Napolux

    Many italian blogs are also affected:

    Napolux.com from 5 to 3
    Pandemia.info from 6 to 4
    Sw4n.net from 6 to 4
    MasterNewMedia.org from 7 to 4

  • Jake

    MoreMerchant.com stayed at a 4. I was hoping for a 5, but after all that happened a 4 is now like the old 6.

    We have to now rethink about pagerank. It will take time, but the 3 is now a 5 and the 4 is a 6. Easy as that. No worried.

    If they change it again… we will adapt again.

  • Jonk : Bargains

    A couple of thoughts in my mind

    .) Google is changing the scale. IE. PR 5 will soon be considered a lot more valuable than it has been.

    .) They’re doing some algo tinkering

    .) They’re decreasing the link quality of blogs overall, so those relying on that have been hit. Although CourtneyTuttle.com down to #1 is just ridiculous.

  • tish grier

    I’ve been utterly fascinated by the whole thing! My rank went from 5 to 4, and now it’s back up to 5…go figure…..

    and traffic hasn’t changed considerably….

    One thing I noticed though has been the number of blog networks that have been liking exclusively to the others in the network as well as to blog posts within the same blog. This has definitely given some blog network blogs inflated page rank…essentially, they’re not really as important as they (literally) made themselves out to be…

    but if you think of it another way–this is all supposed to be “social media” correct? then it’s really kind of anti-social (and alot like old media) when blog networks only link to those in their network. Maybe that’s why both the networks and the msm newspaper blogs took big hits.

  • Daniel

    You guys should keep in mind that traffic will not change overnight as the PR does. PR that appears on the sidebar is just nominal, and it refers to real ranks coming from 2 months or so ago.

  • Liza

    Another notable website you might want to add to your list, Dan, is adesblog.com that used to be PR7 and some datacenters show its dropping to PR5.
    What’s sad is, some blogs (and I know of one personally) that are PR7 and openly sell dozens of links yet were not penalized.

  • Mark

    I don’t particularly care about those who lost a PR or two. Who cares since everyone lost?

    More importantly, who went up? That’s what I would like to know and how did they go up?

  • Mike Panic

    Mine has remained PR4

  • News-rogue

    My website still has 0 pagerank. I suck.

  • Edward

    All my websites have 0 p. rank. I’m a loser baby, so why don’t you kill me?

  • Daniel

    Only downgrades have been reported so far, that is why it might not be a PR update in the standard sense of the term.

  • Armen

    How about this Daniel…with the boom in blogs, and all the linking increase, maybe Google are making the bar to reach certain levels of PageRank, higher? Maybe it’s just a matter of time before all PR’s go down, and that will then level out the competition.
    That might help with understanding why the actual SERP’s haven’t really changed.

  • Daniel

    Armen, I raised that hypothesis on the post in fact.

    It could be, but it should not take that much time for most of the sites to start showing a PR change.

    As the time passes I am more skeptical about that option.

  • Armen

    Sorry Daniel, I missed that little “it might be just a readjustment on the PR scale” phrase.

    It definately is interesting. I would say that we’re better just to sit tight, and wait till more is revealed, however, you’ve just landed yourself a serious piece of ‘linkbait’ here by writing about it 😉

  • John

    It’s funny how Matt’s buddy Mr. Wolf did not get hit even thought he has a text-link-ads ad on his front page. I think google is out of control with this. They need to stop hounding sites which people REALLY READ like this, andy wash post etc. And start worring about the 1000’s of scraper adsense pages that fill up the google blog serps, and other directories.

    Just my opinion thought. I wish a boycott of google would do any good. But prob not. They are officially the 300lb gorilla now.

  • Jason Bartholme

    My SEO blog, http://www.jasonbartholme.com went from a PR5 to PR3. Sucks.

  • Rusty

    Maybe its time for a new boss. Let the people speak.

  • Jeffrey Henderson

    No problems here, still a 7.

  • Cecilia

    Interesting reading…I’m glad I haven’t started my blog yet. Being a slow learner sometimes pays off, I guess. I have no worries with PR…oh, yes! I do…I don’t even know where to find that magic #. I should probably check if my empty blog space’s title has been ranked. Wouldn’t that be hilarious?

    Procrastination bug, or is it the gutless bug? That is what sucks…not the PR 1, not even PR 0!

  • Sridhar Katakam

    Mine went down from 5 to 3.

  • mark

    Ouch. From a 7 to a 4?!?! Wow. I’m shocked at that big drop.

  • Suray

    I think Google has edited the PageRank scores of several sites in manually. I was so curious, Google didn’t update the PageRank of all sites in 3 or 4 months. It’s being 5 months, Google has late, if Google implementing new algorithm, I think that all webmasters and SEO will use more powerful and significant strategies to sneakily cheat the Google crawler. Unless, if Google is using human-edited way. I have written about this at http://surayblog.blogspot.com/2007/10/google-pagerank-2nd-update-in-october.html

  • Clement

    Hey guys

    Why do yoiu get concerned about this PR issue?It is just a number. Concentrate on writing great posts on your blog.Google friendly blogs (those with high PR) will link to them.Google will end up bringing you traffic through tthem.

  • Phill Midwinter

    I’m a search engine engineer and I’m going to give you some free advice: Ignore PageRank.

    It hasn’t been used for a long time and they change it now and again to make those who know little about how the algorithms and weightings of various web pages work have kittens now and again.

    All it is these days is a useful little tool to keep people in suspense. Just ignore it.

  • Robert MacEwan

    My site has dropped from PR6 to PR5, but suspect this is due to my switch from Ubuntu Linux content to discussioning my mother-in-law purposefully losing my socks which handling laundry & other family related posts.

    😉

  • Antonio

    In spanish too:

    http://www.error500.net

    Pagerank 6 -> Pagerank 3

  • Flanture

    My blog has also suffered and it was downgraded from PR5 to PR3.

  • emigre

    If the update is over, I didn’t see any change in my PRs. I hope it is.

    Another big blog to be hit with a double whammy is Entrepreneurs Journey. From 6 to 5 and now it’s a 4.
    AdesBlog went from a 7 straight to 5.

  • Daniel

    emigre, I am not sure if this was a proper update or just a manual adjustment for the mentioned blogs. If it was an update than all other blogs still got see some PR change.

  • toxa931

    HA-HA

  • Eklavya

    Here is a confirmation from Google itself, I just found on webmasterworld. (http://www.webmasterworld.com/google/3472449.htm)

    “Danny Sullivan wrote a very informative post yesterday about the selective PR rollback some sites experienced last week, and makes some astonishing claims –

    So I pinged Google, and they confirmed that PageRank scores are being lowered for some sites that sell links

    and

    In addition, Google said that some sites that are selling links may indeed end up being dropped from its search engine or have penalties attached to prevent them from ranking well

    and

    Google stressed, by the way, that the current set of PageRank decreases is not assigned completely automatically; the majority of these decreases happened after a human review. ”

    As you can see, it’ not an automatic update. It has been done after a human review. One edu site (http://daily.stanford.edu/) which used to sell has also been down from PR 9 to PR 7. This may also be an interesting read :

    http://searchengineland.com/071007-173841.php

  • SeoReef

    I don’t think it was a Google PR update. To me it looks like it was hand edited penalties.

  • Japanese SEO – 海外SEO

    Very surprised at the big change.
    Thank you for the fast info.

  • Tim Boucher

    I’ve emailed Patrick Gavin, CEO of Text-Link-Ads about this, who I did some consulting for back when they first started out. Curious to see what their public response will be.

    Seems like a humongous bonehead move on the part of Google; they’re only creating reasons for influential tech sites not to use their services anymore. This is the kind of thing I’m willing to drop everything I have with them over.

  • Michael Hampton

    My site also dropped from PR6 to PR4, though I’ve seen only about a 5% drop in traffic over the last month.

    Interestingly, I sort of knew something like this was coming since my AdSense revenues have been down almost 50% over the last month. Fortunately it is not my sole source of income.

  • Albert

    Well, they dropped mine from PR7 to PR4. I have checked with Text Link Ads and of course they say this is not going to affect their/our business.

    Has anyone noticed a change after removing their paid links?

  • Different Story here…

    I have stayed the same….

    But, incoming links have increased and traffic is steady…

  • Anand

    Any idea on the total number of websites that lost their PR?

  • Daniel

    I would say that a hundred of them at least. I saw a lot of small bloggers complaining as well.

  • house

    How is it possible that an index page has disappeared from Google result after being on the first page for 1 year?

  • WiadomoÅ›ci

    One of my old domain dropped pagerank form 5 to 3 too :(

  • Tim Boucher

    Is Google addressing this publicly yet?

  • Daniel

    Tim, not yet.

  • Motoma

    Google: “You probably already know about Amazon, Engadget, Ebay, CNet, 4Chan, Wikipedia, and Jesusishitler.com; so we are going to give you results that you may not have known about, but that are equally as relevant.”

  • Internet Marketing Blueprints

    Woohoo! Google has finally rewarded my humble little PR 0 website a ranking update. My site has gone from 0 to 3.

    Well, eat your heart out to those who lost your ranking. Mine got a thumbs up from Big G!

    If you are down on the PR 0 ranking…..the only way to go is UP!

    Link safely.

    Mohd Nizam
    http://www.myinternetmarketingblueprints.com

  • Daniel

    It looks like its a real update now, with sites actually gaining PR.

  • Okinawa

    Wow, this madness has been the buzz of like every forum I visit!

  • Rogers

    This all suggest that Google don’t want to remove page rank from toolbar as G fear that most of webmasters will then uninstall their toolbar

    But at the same time G want to convey that PR is no that important as it used to be earlier… This si to prevent link selling business…

  • none

    youtube.com PR > 3

  • Tim Boucher

    Ironically, on one of the sites offering a PR calculator tool, there is an AdSense ad for Text-Link-Ads!

  • Marcus

    Holy s… One of My website suddenly drop from 5 to 2, have only Google ad sense ads, no link selling or buying, no text ads…
    It has quality content, many visitors and instead of increase from PR5 –
    and got PR2?

  • CableGuy

    youtoube.com = PR3? What’s going on out there?

  • 89 video izle

    Wow, this madness has been the buzz of like every forum I visit!
    http://www.89videoizle.com

  • Site Ekle

    hmmm realy youtube pr 3 :S

  • Video youtube

    google.com.tr = pr 7
    omg..

  • Elizabeth

    My two year old blog Table for Five went from PR4 to PR3. But, my six month old blog MomReviews went UP from PR0 to PR2, and my five month old blog MomCooks also went up from PR0 to PR2. I always thought that the age of the blog was one of the determining factors.

    The only explanation I can think of is that I sell Text Link Ads and LinkWorth ads on Table for Five. MomReviews has one multi-rotating ad running, and one affilliate ad. MomCooks has BlogHer Ads, Auction Ads, and Adsense. But, I’ve only written 42 posts on it! And yet it’s only one rank step away from a two year old blog with probably close to a thousand posts? It makes no sense.

  • chipseo

    There was so much talk about this I wasn’t going to post anything on my blog about it, until I found out mine went from a PR0 to a PR2.

    Up two is not bad considering so many lost PR’s, but then again, I couldn’t have gone below a PR0 anyway.

  • Eric Stoller

    This has been the highest traffic month for my site. I checked my Google PageRank and it went from “5” to “1”!!! I still have sections of my site with PR’s of 2, 3, and 4. One of my client sites went from “0” to “5”.

    I am really confused. In the end I just hope this does not affect my SERPs…

  • XMCP

    Hey,
    Good article. I hope you don’t mind, but I borrowed your list of affected sites for my explanation of the pagerank changes. I did give a backlink though, but god knows, that might be dangerous nowadays 😉
    -XMCP
    PS: If you feel like taking a look, the article is over at http://www.slightlyshadyseo.com/?p=36 , I’d be glad to know what you think.

  • Marvin

    Does G re-scaling the keywords also Im busted all of my keywords dropped!

  • Dave Sprint

    every one have seen changed in their web page’s PR updates but majority have seen their web sites PR get down , stable, higher is for few one.

    my web directory is also get from 6 to 3 PR

    http://www.search4i.com

    PR is updated just reently

  • Mervt

    I just finished a brand new site and it now has a pr4 rating overnight.

  • Rick Wezenaar

    People, Randy, then I have _some_ ‘news’ for you,

    Somehow, and I really don’t know why, my site dropped from a pr4 to pr0.

    No, I don’t sell links or whatever. I am sometimes busy on blogcatalog and technorati and mybloglog, etc.etc. to link up with people who are in my specific line of work (photography). I also have a lot of ‘fans’ who are linking to me, and yes, most of them get a link back from me. I think in the last week I added about 10 new links on my site, where it was quiet a few weeks before that because I was on a holiday for quite some time (Indonesia, see my blog for photos). My technorati rank rose from 18 to 34 in the last couple of days, probably because of all the new links pointing to my articles. Seems people like my work.

    But somehow the people from Google don’t like my photography. I recently applied for adsense on my page. didn’t have anything at the time. I got a nasty mail back that my blog was’nt worth their while and was rejected from adsense (and no, I don’t do porn stuff, just landscapes, culture, and people :P)

    Immediately after that mail my pagerank dropped from pr4 to pr0. I am not sure whether it had to do with my application for adsense and their rejection, but I think it is rather suspicious, even if they were ‘updating’…

    penalty ? for what ? because I have beautiful photography on my site (which is my own work, so it isn’t any copyright violation 😛 [mental note: write lawyer to sue myself], or because I have added too many links in a week’s time ? (and others to me for that fact…)

    Well, so sorry people from Google, that I am an enthousiastic blogger.

    I use google regularly (and I think almost everybody does) to look up things on their search engine. However, now that they are clearly so biased in their attitude towards bloggers or enthousiasts, I am now searching for competing alternatives. There are not many, unfortunately.

    Rick Wezenaar
    photographer

    ps. Next to my photography I am also an experienced UNIX Consultant. I recently got an invitation to work with google, because my skillset matched with one of their positions. I am not sorry I didn’t accept the offer…

  • Andy

    Its interesting topic about the google PR slap. I have noticed PR increase in many of the sites I own while reading others have PR drop.

  • Preston

    At http://www.bamabots.com we saw no impact to our PR rank but a lot of our competitors did. Most of them do not have any paid links, but we appear to still be a very solid 5. However, we dropped in the serps while the others improved? Which makes no sense. I’m not really sure what Google has changed, but it goes beyond just paid links.

  • Rob Lawrence

    My site http://www.battlecall.com has had a very consistently high pagerank, it moves from 6 to 4 and sometimes 5, so I don’t know what’s up with Google.

  • Dave

    I don’t worry about Google. Google is not the law and its policies and vagaries are virtually ignored by the media and by every established corporation and every big advertising agency in the world. Except among bloggers and SEO parasites, Google’s webmaster policies are never news.

    The online world of Google is an unhealthy environment. I’d rather be hiking.

  • Dale Hay

    Ok, so if we get kicked in the balls because we are buying and selling links, but not for having advert banners on our site, how on earth are we suppose to get in/on search engines??

  • Website Optimization Services – Frederrick Abrugart

    The recent page rank drop can be seen as both a disaster and oppotunity.

    Disaster for those that experience the page rank drop while opportunity for SEO firms offering website optimization services.

    Instead of looking back and frowning about what might happen next, I think the best step to take is to further improve on your back links and further optimize your web page.

  • Tusserte

    My site, ultimate-reviews.net, dropped from PR6 to PR4 as well. I have never participated in link exchanges and am very confused as to why I was hit so hard.

  • Tanuj

    I think people should not sell/buy links.
    What about those who cant afford??

  • Tomson

    This is ridiculous. Main site of the domain dropped from pr3 to pr0 (no link exchange or selling, static text), but the subpages containing we directory (no link exchange or selling) raised from pr2 to pr3. Crap content over normal text? Is this really an update or just a mistake?

  • msmyla

    Tomson, we all wish it was a mistake. :( When are they updating again?

  • The Mommy Blogger

    Are they updating again? What about your side bars – do you get penalized for having links back to archived posts…posts that you have made already?

  • Andrew Ooi

    Yes they are updating again.

    My website just went from a PR 4->PR 2

    Today (just now) it went from PR2->PR0.

    Life is hard.. :(

  • George Tomas

    Thanks for visiting averyone!

  • Hummerbie

    Looks like Statcounter has got their PR 10 back, they have put a NoFollow tag on their textlinks in the “Recommend” Menu item.

    After that they probably requested a reconsideration request to Google like Joost de Valk did:
    http://www.joostdevalk.nl/i-requested-reconsideration-and-got-my-pagerank-back/

  • FatCat

    It seems like the battle-field is changing constantly :) get the idea of this post – [www].fatalic.com/page-rank-panic-trust-your-eyes/

  • odchoi

    I thought pr ranks doesn’t matter as long as you write your blogs and make research out of it. I was wrong. They were asking for prs. Link with me please.

  • Medvedev

    PR is not relevant at all.
    Why do people worry about PR still?
    Relevance is all important so SEO guys are making money for old rope.

  • George Tomas

    Page rank has all the hype these days out in the web-world. It seems that we’ve relied upon Goggle for so long to tell us where we stand with our peers that we’re unable to divorce ourselves from the Googlemonster now that we’re unhappy with the way it’s treating us. It’s all the buzz on blogs across the web all because Google redid the algorithm by which PR is determined and a lot of “important” sites lost rank.

  • Manuel Gallego

    Google is not identifing correctly selling sites…

    i never sold a link from my site ucables.com, but this summer i put a link to my new girlffriend website about real estate: ibizaloft.com to help her to get some traffic and from october i lost my pagerank from 5 to 0.
    i have send some messages to google to reconsider my site, but i have not received any response after 2 months. My traffic decreased 20% and continue decreasing. I have removed this link already from my site.
    I think google should try at least to contact with owner before to do this type of action.
    Why not decrease rank of payed links from adsense too?
    Some years ago, when google was created we love google because, all service that offers was free, and contributed to the original internet spirit to share all, with easy and simple way.
    Actually google seems to be corrupted and bad directed for the money.
    Sorry my bad english i hope you can understand me.

    Happy Xmas!

  • Dizi

    Google must not stop link selling

    Because google must think webmasters

  • Stan

    I thought your readers may want to check their website’s google rank.

    I use:

    http://www.urlpagerank.com

  • Moe Green

    The thing is… I am now having trouble finding stuff or it is taking me longer when using Google. Sites that used to rank for their domain name are no longer showing up if you use spaces in between words in the domain name when searching.. If I am searching for something named “the white cat” and there is a website at thewhitecat.com, it should show up with minimal effort from the webmaster.

    It may be time to start using Yahoo or some other search engine as my starting points..

  • SLY

    I’m not selling links, but i have a PR3 now, from PR5.
    Why?

  • leslie

    I’m really disappointed that my PR dropped from 2 to 0. I know it’s a relatively new blog, but I just don’t know why Google wouldn’t want people to earn from their blogs.

  • TEENAGER

    my site pr 0 :(

  • Khayte

    Gawd, mine had gone to N/A too, I hate the fact that they have to reduce our PR’s just because we monetize our blogs. What’s the catch anyway? They do the same thing, too I guess on their ‘other’ websites perhaps. Damnn, it makes me go all crazy

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  • Wilson Alva

    Algorithm of Page Rank already is discontinued

    Many of the services of Google also need urgent update, is why Google prefers to buy to other companies of Internet.

    That small finder that began many years ago very good, because only era of text, very fast and efficient, that antigüo AltaVista moved my, nowadays became a Giant.

    But that has happened with the progress of his so promoted PageRank? By the sight it has not evolved in the same way, as much money and they have not managed to optimize it.

    In summary the PageRank de Google or PR simply is a numerical value that it represents the importance that a page Web has in Internet, this value is obtained through the bonds that make other pages Web to your site. (it is a summary of the great roll of his operation) the PR has been that has not evolved as it would wish the user it, many webmasters astute position their Web in the first results search of Google and when we make a search as simple as the task of your primary son of the first results that we obtain is companies doing publicity to their products/services and nor to speak of the swindles that abound by Internet.

    What happened with the quality of content? , What happened with the Google that invented an algorithm to benefit the searches from the users? Simply it turned towards the money of the publicity and grew like great company forgetting its roots.

    As much it forgot its past that now cannot produce some own project, I buy to YouTube because GoogleVideos did not do competition to him.

    Purchase technology of other projects Web because although it is certain that it sees future in them, same Google does not have it developed.

    It must have given Google account of its own weakness that now has a Laboratory as they call to him for own projects. But and what has of their essence? To as much to arrived the weakness from the PageRank that now Google penalizes to the sites of high PR that sells links, or the case of the page of a well-known Alemana company that was penalized by unsuitable practices of positioning Web. Acting as Goliat is giving bad reputation him to Google.

    To many webmasters is to them beneficial to work with Adsense, but victims of a repression feel, to the being directed by norms imposed by the greatest finder of history.

    Now we asked ourselves, Who is making its work bad? Webmasters or the PageRank de Google? Although it is certain that webmasters are many bad, also are many more if they are good, that they include/understand that to give content of quality to the users it is more important that to fill to its pages Web of words that position them in the finders.

    What is failing in the PageRank? As lack would claim to my grandmother… him to it to be more human, he is incredible that the heart of the finder, does not have the greater budget of investigation and development.

    Hay Competition at this moment? Lamentably next as Yahoo and MSN do not approach which the user wishes and for that reason the Monopoly of Google almost is guaranteed.

    Inevitably the users little by little could emigrate to another finder, as flock of doves, if this were more cash in the searches, but at the moment Google does not have competition, although personally I have seen some other finders with very interesting characteristics.

    They already say: It does not have bad lasts one hundred years, nor body that resists it and in Internet the years are months…

  • dizi izle

    A couple of thoughts in my mind

    .) Google is changing the scale. IE. PR 5 will soon be considered a lot more valuable than it has been.

  • Dhiraj Rawat

    It is clear that PR updation is necessory becoz it is requirement of better search results….some guys buy paid links and listing becoz of that relevant results hampered.. Indian Exporters Manufacturers Directory http://www.trademart.in/

  • Firmalar

    I got hit and dropped from a 5 to a 2.

  • My

    my PR3 has just dropped to PR0 ! I am really sad. Hopefully it will goes back up in no time.

  • Rizki

    ohh….i’m newbie,,, I don’t have a page rank yet,, please give me advice…

  • Swanie

    It hit me a lot too. My PR is now 0 and a lot of links don’t show up in Google search too. Damn!!

  • puneet

    This is pure rubbish and shows the highhandedness of Google. If Google can sell advertising why cant we sell links for money. Google is doing exactly what Microsoft did. Just that no anti-trust is against them.

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    I think people should not sell/buy links.
    What about those who cant afford??

  • Pinoy Money Talk

    is there a new page rank update? my blog’s PR dropped..

  • gareng

    my PR drop from 5 to 4 last week.
    Today it got a free fall from 4 to 0

    sad…..:(

  • Jamie

    My PR has dropped from 5 or 4 to 0 over the past few months.
    However, my SERPS has improved dramatically..

    I have text link ads on site, and added a page to advertise on my site – do you think that this could have any effect…?

  • London Photographer

    What is Google doing with its PageRank? My site has just been dropped from PR2 to PR1.

  • Ryan

    Wowza… it seems Google is really coming down hard on some blogs… and no one can seem to figure out exactly how that algorithim works anyhow … =( But I guess that’s how Google dominates right? 😉

  • Mastahh

    yeah,my website`s PR is goind down.From PR6 to PR4 .

  • Flora

    Hi,

    My PR went from 4 to 2, but i did’t do any paid links.

  • youtube

    thanks you

  • enfopedia

    What can a new site expect to receive from Google in Terms of Ranks, ex: PR 3, PR4..etc

    Any comments would be great.

  • seoreef

    The differences are just variations caused by the update itself.

  • julia

    As i know of page rank algorithm It is based on some factors, but in short we can say good website contnt wise and layout wise may have good PR I made my website Holidays In India – http://www.myfirstholiday.com/ from good content and layout as i got one (1) PR only in 2 month

  • Sharlin Kaur

    I recenty lanuched my website and it’s showing 0/10 so I am waiting for google to update his rank so i will able to see where am i

  • youtube

    I think people should not sell/buy links

  • mehmet

    thanks you

  • youtube

    Here we go again next

  • dizi izle

    thanksss

  • Paul Dumas

    do you suppose the folks at Google sit in their cubes all day reading these things and just laugh because we’re all looking for the Ark of the Convenant in the wrong pyramid?

  • janny

    I have been reading your blog last couple of weeks and enjoy every bit. Thanks.

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  • Indonesia Today

    Big frustation indeed. People start to get bored and begin to concentrate on other measurement like Alexa etc. :(

  • Mateescu C

    How can we increase our page rank from pr4 to a superior page rank ?

    Are the relevant backlinks the main element in order to achieve a better page rank ?

    Thank you

  • Mateescu C

    How can we increase out page rank ?

    Are the relevant backlinks the only elements that matters ?

    Thank you

  • Youtube download

    I have now been hit with a -2 and I’m not selling links and I’m not part of a blog network. Is it possible that Google is going to hit all blogs? If so I think it’s very odd and stupid. If not, there isn’t any reason to penalize my site

  • Wim

    My PR went from 5 to 4 and the home page is not a blog….
    But I do exchange links….

  • Link Building

    Thanks for valuable information about sell and buy links

  • trademark registration

    Does PageRank matter anymore? It doesn’t seem to affect rankings. At least, not in my experience…

  • Grinding Teeth

    I wish I understood what I need to do to be smiled upon by Google. There is so much confusing info out there that I am not sure anyone knows exactly how to get on Google’s good side.

  • divx

    thans

  • Amithy

    Google is not the law and its policies and vagaries are virtually ignored by the media and by every established corporation and every big advertising agency in the world.
    For all mobile phones deals log on to http://www.thatzcool.co.uk

  • Gadgets and gizmos

    I am certain pagerank is not as important as it once was, what is important is ranking. I would much rather have a high ranking than high pagerank any day.

  • sunty singh

    well I was reading an article posted by someone its about PR 0 here is the link http://fullorissa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2769

    well is that observation correct? I mean abt zero PR??? or thats just an observation which is of no use?

    could someone reply to this?

  • Rani Dababneh

    nice.. thanx :)
    check out my article about Google Page Rank Update – the PR Mysterious Excitement!

  • izmir evden eve

    Google must not stop link selling

    Because google must think webmasters

  • shane

    Which time update google Page Rank

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  • Web Promotion

    How many good back links gain Page Rank

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  • Jay

    Good explaination,

    But found that these most of these sites yet contain same page rank.

    Jay,
    Discussion Forums Open Source

  • Radiat Floor Heat

    Wish I knew more about how Google does things. Its a big mystery to see you sites jump all around in the search engines and go up and down with the PR

  • online film izle

    How can we increase out page rank ?

  • Geo

    One of my websites have PR4 from two years and don’t grow :(

  • dizi izlet

    thanks

  • Alistaur

    I think the google page rank is getting a thing of the past.

    Trouble is google has all us webmasters paranoid, i think the safe thing to do is to have any external links with the no follow tag.

    Thats just the way is seems to be going.

  • Masalaboard

    My blog also dropped from 5 to 3 but I’m pretty happy that traffic remains the same. I removed all my sold links and link exchange partners. Will see if this helps to receive back PR.

  • Xboard

    How can we increase out page rank ?

    Are the relevant backlinks the only elements that matters ?

    Thank you!

  • Shane

    What is pagerank-algorithm of google

  • Store Friendly

    Wow, this madness has been the buzz of like every forum I visit!

  • AskTheAdmin | Karl Gechlik

    We went from a 6 to a 3 yesterday – it has not touched our google traffic though.

    Thanks Google!

  • Cheap iPhone Deals – Free iPhone

    I think the next update is coming… hope so too.

  • dizi izle

    My two year old blog Table for Five went from PR4 to PR3. But, my six month old blog MomReviews went UP from PR0 to PR2, and my five month old blog MomCooks also went up from PR0 to PR2. I always thought that the age of the blog was one of the determining factors.

  • Teena Osorio

    we are also puzzled with what happened to our google page rank. it decreased from 2 to 0 right now, but it is a good thing traffic still remains the same. we really have no idea what happened.

  • Gaurav

    hi guys

    My blog got a PR 4 from PR 3 in the recent PR change.but all my search results have vanished. Earlier my blog was on first 5 positions on keywords like ‘c interview questions’. But not its found nowhere. Please suggest me the reason for this.

  • ersin

    very intresting, google is so smart.

  • güvenlik

    Google must not stop link selling

  • Shane

    Google page rank update I have gain page rank 0 to 2

  • Relocation

    My blog’s PR stayed as 2, hooray.

  • Mike

    I run a research web site, and my page rank just dropped from 4 to 0!

  • firma rehberi

    thanks you.

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  • proje

    very hardworking company.

  • Mandy

    My site http://www.jigsawconferences.co.uk for the travel page went down to, but i think its to do with competitors pointing dodgy links to my page and making to fall.

    Anyway I have started again, let see what happens

  • Abhishek

    Hi! My PR remains at 1. Expecting for a increase the next time around.

  • firmalar

    thanks you..

  • Julian E. Ortiz

    Whatever you do, you are always at the mercy of whoever calls the shots! Easy to see that what Google is after is decreasing the importance of PR through paid and exchange links, so that we rely more on their (Google’s) paid advertising.

  • 派遣会社

    I think people should not sell/buy links.
    and the people who would don’t own an iPhone! Ha ha!

  • dizi izle

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  • Keith

    Pagerank is computed based on many factors according to your website’s relevancy into many different topics on the web. Among these ‘different topics’ on the web, Google either, takes the average or gives the highest rank from any web topic, and the result is your pagerank score.

    Since pagerank is based on many topics(CIRCA Technology, Topic-Sensitive Pagerank), Goggle probably updated their list of web topics, and as a result your website’s relevancy to these new web topics changed affecting your total Pagerank score.

    Whats important is theres no drastic change in your ranking on google searches, if there is then you’re probably penalized for bad SEO tactics.

    But if you used sound SEO practices and delivered useful contents in your site theres no need to worry much about these updates.

  • dizi izle

    Thank you for documents.

  • Weis

    Really informative article, it helped me a lot, had to come back a few times and readi it again. keep up the good work, thanks

  • jj

    It is useful

  • dizi izle

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  • PC Sport Live

    Getting page rank has been nothing short of a nightmare for me so far,
    I’ve tried to be selective with my links as to where my mine are going but are still coming up short. Frustrating!

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  • kelime yarışma

    Thanks man

  • amasra

    Does G re-scaling the keywords also Im busted all of my keywords dropped!

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  • webmaster sitesi

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  • Alex Griffin

    I think people should not sell/buy links. What about those who cant afford??

  • Peter Wolf

    Fortunately, my search traffic has stayed steady.

    I’m still going to clean out some paid links and try to be more “valuable” in Google’s eyes.

  • Karl Kiss

    Now I don’t feel as bad for my PageRank drop from 4 to 3.

  • cengiz özdemir

    Darren – I think what could have happened is, they would have picked some xx number of blog, ran a random script which will lower the PR on random basis.. but this PR won’t affect google’s internal PR ranking… this PR is just to show the people and lower the value of PR…

    I personally don’t think having a blog network or being part of blog network should affect the PR..I don’t see anything wrong in having a blog network and linking to all their blogs.. this is bit natural that if a person is having xx no. of things then he is going to list all together..

    If blog network was the issue then it would have affected google’s own blog too..

  • Christian Solei

    Some datacenters will still show a 5, but there are many 3’s there, so its changing over time towards the 3.

  • hakan

    thank you for your document

  • SEO Genius

    Thanks for writing an article on this, i recently read the one on problogger about it however he did not go in to any depth.

  • Joern

    That sites would be penalized for is an intriguing thought. I run a website on a very marginal topic (opera tenors) and probably since there aren’t too many sites of the same kind, the site was for a couple of years a PR5 site. It then dropped to pr4, curiously when I started with text link advertising, and now that I have a few text links (but not many), my PR all of a sudden dropped to 2. I have more or less the same amount of visitors as before, and good incoming links, so quite frankly I cannot understand why my page rank would drop radically. I maintain other sites with a lot less activity and traffic that are PR3 sites. Doesn’t make any sense to me.

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  • Sketch Online

    But don’t you think the PR is now more realistic?

  • Amaan Goyal

    Page rank is based on various factors and being from the SEO industry we always emphasis on good SEO techniques rather than pagerank. Page rank may go up and down on a given update but if you follow the guidelines and have done your homework you should not expect a dramatic change in page rank.

  • webmaster

    Although most websites lost their PR after this update but some sites still maintains their PR what does it mean? Quality links or search engine friendly web design and development of sites.

  • metropolismom

    Hi,

    I am a new blogger and PR is very important to me. I want to inject ads on my new blog. Can someone answer me if I choose Chitika or Cliksor over google adsense, will my PR be affected?

    Thanks in advance!

    Cheers!
    Metropolismom

  • Unplugged

    It is funny to see, how many people discuss, how the google pr algorithm can looks like

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  • J&K Lowline Cattle

    Seems like the blogs PR’s were hit the hardest.

    I’d like to boost my PR higher than what it is. Working on that right now.

    Thanks.

  • Talent Search Engine

    Thank you

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  • nakliyat

    well .. what effects site ranking in google ?? if pagerank doesnt work anymore ..
    what is the next :)

    thnks

  • Okey Oyna

    thnx. great!.

  • Karsten

    wow….really nice…big thanks

  • Google is a crazy God

    My site PR has been slapped to ZERO from PR 3 . I’m not involved in paid post yet my site was penalised. This is the second time from 0 to 1, slapped to zero, regain to PR 3 and back to zero.

  • Identity

    Although PR may change, the position in SERPs do not, so it is another disinformation tool by Gooogle :)

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  • Founty

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  • Professional Web Solutions

    Well, if Google wanted to create a virtual toy that everyone will play with, for sure they did it with the page rank tool. I am not sure if this was the initial purpose of it but, however, I don’t really see it as an important fact in the SEO process. However, I spend valuable time dealing with the little green bar. And yes, I do hope my page rank will increase, or at least it won’t decrease, as it happened last time, although my web sites are not involved in any kind of paid link programs.

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  • Robert C – The Wholesale Products Guy

    My website has done nothing in terms of selling links. My only advertising is adsense, and the main focus of the site is selling an ebook about wholesale trade, an industry of which I am familiar.

    And, as far as I tell, I am not attached to any blog farm, link farm, etc. I have about a 1000 + links that are through like minded websites, non-niche specific websites, and signatures from the wholesale forums I am a member of..

    The only change I made was adding 40 pages of new articles, all original content. I did not change anything in the landing page. And low and behold, yesterday I woke up with a PR 3 staring me in the face after five years of holding steady at a PR 4.

    I thought it was just me, and, as it has been stated here, I think that it is an overall shakeout of sites old and new.

    Seems that low ranking sites are getting a boost, while established sites are getting knocked down a peg. I noticed that my competitors are taking a hit as well. Most established sites (even those started in the mid to late 90’s) have fallen from PR 6 to 5, and 5 to 4.

    AS A SIDENOTE, LET ME JUST SAY THANKS!

    THANKS GOOGLE FOR REWARDING THOSE OF US WHO
    PLAY BY THE RULES – BY KNOCKING US DOWN IN PAGE RANK!

    Overall I think this is a lesson. While it is a good thing to have a favorable PR, or Alexa ranking as an overall evaluation for when you want to sell your website, page rank has never put money in my Paypal or bank account.

    I think I’m going to concentrate on my own standard of website evaluation and judge it by it’s “wagerank”.

    I will judge my sites based on the amount of income they produce, not on the PR they receive. Google can give me a PR of 1 for all I care, as long as I get my pages indexed for the niches I pursue, and the keywords that I think will convert.

    INCOME IS THE NEW PAGE RANK!

    Call me Captain obvious, but Google is wielding too much power in the Search Engine and PPC advertising market.

    Someone with a better idea for a unique searching experience, or a niche in the SE marketplace needs to be brought forth. There needs to be a clear fourth, or even a fifth competitor to the current big three.

    Matter of fact, I would like to see 10 new search engines, but that is probably not realistic or even feasible. I would settle for five search engines total, including Yahoo, MSN, and Google. If there were two more competitors, it would tend to even out things a bit.

    Google has 63% (probably more by now – these are 2007 numbers from Hitwise.com) of search volume, followed by Yahoo – 21.40%, MSN.com, 9.95%, Ask.com, 3.5%, AOL.com, 0.54%, and all other secondary SE’s about 1.15%..

    I don’t have anything against Google personally, and I think overall, they have a good product. But, having over 60% of the search volume is just too much power for one company.

    Spliting the volume among a few more SE’s, with each having about 20% of market share would be more to my liking, but, here again, probably not very realistic.

    Also troubling is the fact that Google has the cash to buy up important Internet advertising companies like Doubleclick for 3.1 billion with a “B” dollars, in addition to acquiring Youtube.

    Personally, I don’t have anything against the fundamentals of the “Goog”. I think they have some good products, and I like their Engine. I just don’t like having to bow at their alter..

    The Web is about freedom for the Internet masses. Not being held to one standard of search, or somewhat vauge and arbitrary rules when it comes to being listed in their index, what kind of links you can have on your site, and being banned from the listings without explanation.

    I hope there is someone out there with a small rack of servers just like Google started out with – who just might be the next challenger to the Search Engine throne.

    I hope too, that if this up and coming SE company does take a bit of the market share away from the Goog, that they will stay as humble as their beginnings were. But, I think, just like everyone who gets a taste of success, that eventually, the greed monster takes a hold of us all..

    Thats my Google rant..

    Robert C – The Wholesale Guy..

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  • dizi izle film izle

    A couple of thoughts in my mind

    Google is changing the scale. IE. PR 5 will soon be considered a lot more valuable than it has been.

  • David

    My site ( http://www.thatsmycash.com.au/ ) Has no PR :(

    how long does it take to get a PR on a website?

    Thanks

    David

  • vidocin

    Deep – I thought it could be them just lowering the overall value of PR – but how come some blogs are down and some are not?

    The text link selling theory doesn’t add up for me – as quite a few blogs that have been hit in the last 24 hours don’t sell them.

    The blog network theory could have something to it – although some of the blogs that I’ve seen hit are not in blog networks – or at least are not fully participating in link exchanges – and other blog networks seem untouched despite interlinking (like TechCrunch’s network).

    Maris – you’re experience is the same as mine PR is down but traffic is stable from Google. So ultimately for me it doesn’t matter – but it is odd and something I hope Google gives some insight on.

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  • florida vacation rentals

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  • Seattle Apartments

    Let’s hope the PR changes slow down as we go along. But who knows, I wouldn’t be surprised if Google did away w/ the concept of PR altogether. Either way we will adapt!

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    I have experienced a lower page rank after selling links and consecuently the ranking on the SERPS becames bad.
    So you better don’t sell links on your website.
    Good luck!

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    Hi dear

    As from many comments over here at this very old article in
    2007.but what about the year 2008 updation of google .

    I think there is nothing in this article so pls give a update info.

    Raj

  • Boobe

    thank you for your document

  • full dizi izle

    thanks very good post and blog

  • Orange County Bail Bonds

    Page rank is such a tricky beast – for so many things it is worthless – it will never tell you how much organic traffic you’re going to get. I’ve seen many page rank 0 and page rank 1 sites outperform page rank 3 and 4 sites. Page rank is good for showing off, but it’s like driving in golf, drive for show putt for dough…

  • dizi izle

    thanks you

  • oyun

    thanks very good post and blog

  • Wall Mounted Tables

    Google page rank is so ephemeral, it’s here one minute and gone the next. Really I just want to dominate the SERPs – you can take my PR and shove it!

  • James

    Ok I learned something new today! thanks a lot!

  • Sanjeev Mehra

    PR is not relevant at all. Why do people worry about PR still?As long as you get traffic , who cares about PR .

  • çiçek postasi

    paylaşım için çok teşekkürler /very very thanks

  • kabin

    its very nice good project.

  • batman fatih lisesi

    thank you good article

  • Jason Vandenbrink

    How long does it usually take for a new site to get a higher ranking than zero?

  • istanto

    google started to be suckkkkkk company

  • Lida

    great post

  • cam balkon

    thanks for shareing.

  • Ed

    thank you for the information it seems useful

  • Discount Cigars

    This isn’t a surprise. They’re constantly changing the algorythm. It’s best for everyone. I think eventually they will actually go to people reviewing the sites.

  • smith

    when googel update rank ?

  • Hitesh

    Algorithm criteria google had used this time to update the PR does any one knows?

  • Cozydunt

    I have 2 blogs and they have both dropped today from PR1 to PR0 at the same time http://www.countingcards.co.uk and http://www.makecashwithebay.co.uk anyone know why? HELP.

  • Sex Hikayeleri

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  • Make money for surfing Internet

    My website pagerank was dropped from 1 to 0

  • cam balkon sistemleri

    Algorithm criteria google had used this time to update the PR does any one knows?

  • web designer s@S. Antich

    I agree that this is not surprise, and this is happening all the time.

    This is not the first time that such thing happens.

  • Bankruptcy Lawyer Directory

    I don’t know what changes Google made to the algorithm, I had quite a few sites drop and a few that picked up page rank. It’s always so hard to tell which sites are going to pick up PR and which ones are going to lose it.

  • Cihan ÇaÄŸlar Çankaya

    Thank’s google , my pr 1… :)

  • çiçek

    thanks

  • dizi izle

    My website pagerank was dropped from 1 to 0

  • Dustin

    PR might be a slight indication of important your site might be, but it really doesn’t mean everything, like one comment above that you get PR 3 sites outranking PR 5 sites! Google has about 200 different factors influencing where your site would be on the SERP’s.

  • Gece Gündüz

    Yeah very google

  • Tile Saw

    Thanks for the tips!

  • Acid Cigars

    Google only updates its pagerank once every few months.

  • iddaa

    thanks,

  • sfddsgdf

    Google only updates its pagerank once every few months.

  • Level 343

    Well let me boo hoo with the rest of you. My blog was PR4 to a PR0 so there you have it. Doing the walk of shame. Until I noticed another one of my sites got a PR4 and I don’t even have content on the site. :) lolol

    I feel better knowing regardless of what Google is doing or NOT there really isn’t one solution that makes sense. Therefore doe PR really matter? Sure if you are boasting about it, but be afraid very afraid, one day it won’t be there anymore.

  • cool pictures

    thank you for this beneficial post.

  • dizi izle

    Thank you very nice

  • trbetting

    Thanks for the tips!

  • trbetting

    thank you

  • siyasetci

    My website pagerank was dropped from 0to 1

  • Blogging Tips

    ^^^^^^

    How can your page rank drop from a 0 to a 1? Lol

    My page ranks have been rising, but I had never had one until the last update.

  • dizi izle

    I went down one rank also. I first thought it had to do with dmoz not giving juice anymore, but it seems to be something else.

  • rudeshock

    My PR went from 4 to 3, but my traffic rose.

  • Cam Balkon

    Know More Media has about 100 interlinking blogs and our PageRanks appear not to have changed – nearly all 6’s across the board for the blogs’ home pages.

  • Gay Video Chat Live

    This is obvious, and it is normal, google needs to be always changing the rules, that is the business, and I agree.

    Javier Yep Garcia
    SEO Expert

  • Asian Men Community

    Selling links, today this is playing with fire. How are you sure those sites were not selling links?

  • dizi izle

    oh! my god! this is soooo bad. Problogger deserves 10 page rank! I really think that google should stop acting evil and must concentrate on making the things better or rather improving the Pagerank in a way that it doesn’t give too much weight to the paid links…but penalizing like this is not really good.

    Although, one thing is sure that these sites now really don’t depend on the traffic from google.

    Hey guys..continue selling the links 😀

  • furkan

    i just found this really great article and would like to say thank you.

  • cck33x

    @siyasetc

    i think you mean from 1 to 0 :)

  • Çiçek Sepeti

    I went up one rank also.

  • deniz

    I don’t know what I did wrong. I built more backlinks at a steady pace, added useful content and my site got dropped from a PR2 to a PR1. I was honestly expecting to move up to PR3sometime this year but I guess Google is against me.

  • Gay Profiles Dating

    Today Google rules, so, you better don’t sell links. it that simple.

    Want to get penalized? I dont think so. :)

  • webbyzard

    yes, I lost my PR4 to PR0 overnight about three weeks ago. Then, it got back up again last week and a few days later dropped to 0 again – ;-( I freaking hate Google man. I am not really selling links on my blog; I only have 3 paid links that were put there just before 11/29 and my PR dropped even before that; I mostly do cross linking with my other sites.

  • yem silaj paketleme

    thank you sir

    goodbye

  • Parquets en Terrassa, Fusta Park

    seams that everyone, I mean everyone, is having their websites out-page-ranked, selling or not selling links.
    a google strategie to keep the webmaster’s fight on?

  • Claudio

    Google must not stop link selling

    Because google must think webmasters

  • Kevin Lonergan

    What is totally wrong, is that people (above) are removing what are in many cases legitimate links from their websites, through fear of damaging their own sites – this has to be wrong, and shows a level of influence that Google now has the content of sites and the behaviours of webmasters, which is very bad for the web………?

  • Gabriella

    I agree with Kevin… We are always so concerned about Google and our page rank. If you are a writer “focus” on your content period! I know it’s easier said than done.. But seriously stop wasting valuable time.

    You should be posting on Forums, engaging in your niche market, twitter, do things that will positively affect your website. Trust me Page rank doesn’t mean sh*t if you cannot convert your users.

    Look at your short term and long term goals they are basically the same. Final result is ROI and I don’t care what your page rank is if you have a valuable service your client will buy from you.

  • soso

    Thanks for valuable information about sell and buy links

  • Painter Man

    It is hard to understand the algorith how Google play with PR. But I think is more important the traffic of the site.

  • amasra

    Google must not stop link selling

    Because google must think webmasters

  • Christopher

    I understand that Google needs to make money, but if that is making the search results bias, it has to stop. Google needs to decide to be one of two things:
    1, The peoples search engine
    2, A bias but possibly more wealthy search engine

  • Susan Bosch

    I have been reading your blog last couple of weeks and enjoy every bit. It’s a valuable information.

  • William

    Google is my best friend but could be my worst enemy!

    We always have to abide by there rules and not put in jeopardy our sites standing in the World Wide Web. Pr is not an important factor to consider and too many people think this is the litmus test on stature. We should mark our success by the number of relevant visitors converting on our site.

    Let’s get the basics right first and play by Google’s rule. If we follow there simple guidelines we should succeed in a long and happy relationship.

  • Jack M. Zufelt- Mentor To Millions

    Its very frustrating to see the PR drop, drop, drop… Everyday morning right from bed, its a nice feeling to see the PR has gone up,up, up…

  • Güvenlik Sistemleri

    Google must not stop link selling Because google must think webmasters. Thanks a lot

  • neckties

    If things keep at this pace I might rename this blog to Daily Google Tips. Over the last two weeks we have been talking about Google every other day

  • Araba Oyunları

    Its very frustrating to see the PR drop, drop, drop Everyday morning right from bed, its a nice feeling to see the PR has gone up,up, up…

  • Lida dai dai hua jiao nang seo yarışması

    Well let me boo hoo with the rest of you. My blog was PR4 to a PR0 so there you have it. Doing the walk of shame. Until I noticed another one of my sites got a PR4 and I don’t even have content on the site. lolol

    I feel better knowing regardless of what Google is doing or NOT there really isn’t one solution that makes sense. Therefore doe PR really matter? Sure if you are boasting about it, but be afraid very afraid, one day it won’t be there anymore.

  • Bathroom Design Guru

    More high quality links the better, but it’s very difficult to get high PR sites to link to you when they are afraid to lose their PR for doing it!

  • Salsa Braga

    thank you for your document

  • Varsha Gupta

    Thank you for this information.

  • Metuzalem

    how often does the Google update PageRank?

  • Cheap iPhone 3g

    It must be so gutting to get a pr drop that you’ve worked so hard for. Darn you google

  • Tonneau Covers

    Penalty or a slap on the hand, Google has to keep changing things up to keep those who are working to build their sites employed.

  • Swimming pools, India

    Oh!
    Don’t you think, Google demanding more and more efforts on websites. Its really bad. Yeah Google should change time to time but this much. nope.

  • Ed Holdsworth

    This was written in 2007, has there been any fresh thinking or information on this since?
    I’d be very interested in views?

  • NesMedya Haber Video Oyun

    Thank you for this information.

  • liseli kizlar

    sorry i m mesagges send to
    Google: “You probably already know about Amazon, Engadget, Ebay, CNet, 4Chan, Wikipedia, and Jesusishitler.com; so we are going to give you results that you may not have known about, but that are equally as relevant

  • Pedya

    Yeah very google

  • G-Pixel

    The only reason I see for Google acting so “evil” is to force everybody, not to sell other ads on their website beside the Google ads. As you all know Google makes a lot of money from advertising and they try “to kill” all the competitors on the market.

    If the people do not sell banners or links on their website because they are afraid to lose the pagerank, there is no other alternative than Adwords to promote a business on the web.

  • Stephanie

    My stuff got demoted and I wouldn’t begin to know how to do what the penalties are for. Also, the links were no good. I have no clue why. I think Google needs to be slapped. If their not going to actually check who/what they are penalizing. My pages are FB and Tweet. I don’t sell anyhting.

  • MacBros

    I had a PR5 and google took it away because they would rather force advertisers to use their Adsense rather than web site owners advertising for them directly. Which in my opinion is a monopoly on the whole system.

    PR means nothing when you think about it. If Google can manipulate the results at their whim, then what is a PR if it doesn’t really show the strength of the site?

    My traffic had increased a lot since that date but I have never got my pr back even after placing no follow on all my links.

  • Melanie

    Ok, so if I frequent a mom blog that put a list together of a bunch of great mom blogs to check out and a bunch of us put that on our blog, that could be why? It’s like a mom blog directory. What’s wrong with that?

  • Eemz

    Well, till now I can’t get more PR. But if google give them pinalized, is it fair enought?

  • seo hyderabad

    Hi Friends, yesterday(23/06/2009) google update the page rank again. Please check your page ranks

  • Annie

    The funny thing is, bloggers whose page ranks dropped have published posts about how Google page rank is totally irrelevant, how it didn’t affect their search engine traffic and how it didn’t impact thier revenue. Well, if Google page rank didn’t matter, why bother make a post about it.
    I’m sure your blog will show a more robust ranking in the next update :-)

  • Rimbow

    We must treat the blog as we manage a company need to have hard work on

  • Data Outsourcing India

    Its really difficult to say that “Google Changing the PageRank Algorithm” because Google has their specific rules and regulations for such change….

    But it looks really strange when you seen your PR down.

  • nukman

    waw…this is the best blog..
    I want to like you, but I just new blogger who does not know anything.
    if you want to help me how to get many visitors?

  • Sandip

    Google have definitely changes their rule about giving pagerank . Even my website PR came down from 4 to 1. But in the contest it didn’t affect the traffic on my site. As long as traffic doesn’t go down these new policy of giving PR is ok.

  • Çet

    My stuff got demoted and I wouldn’t begin to know how to do what the penalties are for. Also, the links were no good. I have no clue why. I think Google needs to be slapped. If their not going to actually check who

  • CLHouse

    Google are a law unto themselves and i’m sure part of why they are doing this is just to confuse everyone outside of Google.

  • Cricket Maniac

    My blog’s PR too got down from 1 to No Page Rank :( Can anyone help me how to regain PR 1? Please visit my blog & suggest if my blog has some shortcomings? Is there any unusual practice that I am following. Please help!

  • simon raju

    Building organic links is the only way to increase the pr of your website

  • Vic @BusinessAccent

    With the Google algorithm, we are not really sure on what are the legitimate actions to get the High PR. I think there are ethical ways of building high rank that will still be penalized by Google. Links are not only used to improve our PR ranks, it is also use to give useful links that will help our visitors and readers.

  • Mihai Banica

    All we need to do is wait for the end of this month and see the next change from Google pagerank. I think they are fair enough.

  • Richard

    The PR hasn’t been updated for a while now, what if google suddenly decide to drop it al together, cos when you think about it, if theres no PR, no one will buying link directly to site owner, more money for adword

  • Jeba

    I think google is going to very strict on spammers. Thats why it is changing their algorithm often

  • Arihant Kothari

    Any idea around when these updates were made?

  • fx15

    The funny thing is, bloggers whose page ranks dropped have published posts about how Google page rank is totally irrelevant, how it didn’t affect their search engine traffic and how it didn’t impact thier revenue. Well, if Google page rank didn’t matter, why bother make a post about it.
    I’m sure your blog will show a more robust ranking in the next update

  • M&W Insulated Glass

    I am glad that Google dropped the PR of sites that were selling links. This helps to solidify the search engine mechanism, and they are better off safe then sorry.

  • Luke

    We had 3 specific clients that we were doing SEO work for that insisted on taking up blogging themselves for the sole purpose of adding on to what we were already doing (we avoided blog post). Well, Google updated their PageRank and they both dropped 2 whole points. We are convinced that this caused them to get a penalty that pushed them back much further than if they had done nothing.
    The good news is that this also pulled down the competitors of many of our clients, thus shooting our clients up even further.

  • Mihai Banica

    The site I work for got a PR5. I am really happy!

  • huan

    I have page rank 4, can u temme hw to increase it…

  • çiçekçi

    Its really difficult to say that “Google Changing the PageRank Algorithm” because Google has their specific rules and regulations for such change….

    But it looks really strange when you seen your PR down

  • Monika

    I have no paid links, no bad neighbors, have good content and I get my pagerank taken away, donno why? I think Google should make a new ranking system because the one in use right now is horrible.

  • MacBros

    WOW! Just checked mine and now it’s Zero! There was a time I had a 5.

    WTF???

    My traffic would say differently and the back links also.

  • Sarah

    Google sucks…I don’t even bother with back links because it really does not matter. I have sites that do not and have never sold links…I don’t even have google ads on it or make any money whatsoever on it and it has yet again gone down now to a zero even though I have great traffic!

  • Mihai Banica

    My site was started in summer 2009, in October it went to PageRank 5 and on 31 December it got a PageRank 4 :(
    I would like to know how this mechanism works.
    Does anyone has some documentation about PageRank?

  • Fire Extinguishers

    I wonder how many people actually know in detail how the pagerank system works and i wounder if they would let slip the details over a few beers?

  • Williams

    It is very bad that most sites lots Pr. But i dont understand what is google pr algorithm.

    Not only in this list, but many people from worldwide lost pr.

  • Gildo

    It’s good that even though the pagerank lowers the traffic stays the same!

  • Mihai Banica

    Yes Gildo, I saw the same thing.

  • frank

    RE: Update 2: Flaw in your theory, my blogs have lost PR, no link selling, no networks, just my content, many other blogs through no fault of their own, lost PR. Just another Google slap in the face. Be sure and remember what Google says, were not evil.

  • frank

    Sorry for leaving two, but just wanted everyone to know my blogs that use AdSense were not affected, Google’s not evil, Ha!

  • Mihai Banica

    I will put AdSense now. I hope this is a good thing.

  • Austin SEO

    PageRank seems to have become a far weaker factor in the ordering of businesses in Google 10-packs and Google Maps.

  • Arashel Design

    I’m still confusing of this pagerank thing. I have a website that doesn’t have any backlinks at all, but it has PR 3. While other website has hundreds of backlinks but still no pagerank. What does this pagerank purpose actually?

  • andhie

    waw.. my pr is increasing? i just started register this domain about 2-3 months lol.. what happened?

  • Dhar

    My blog is still given a PageRank 2

  • sikiÅŸ

    PR is outbound juice, inbound Google traffic should not be effected.

  • Leigh Hales

    It’s all to confuse people in to thinking that PR matters. The inconsistency is outstanding and yet people still think it is down to the brilliance of Google. There are factors on and off page there is no denying this; although how much is subjective. URLs with the key words in them have value, as does the age of the URL. Back links count although it is unclear what value is put on a back link from relevant or non relevant sites. I would say that reciprocal linking is now pretty worthless. Your title counts a hell of a lot. If you have a new site and want to rank somewhere you will need to think of a long tail keyword that is relevant and not too sought after in a competitive sense and stick with that. Fighting for short tail keywords can be fruitless in terms of hits and this is generally down to the SEO promotion of people that are looking for something know how to search. They don’t and they generally type in something obscure because if they knew about it they wouldn’t need to search for it. Here is the rub – for people to write your long tail key words as you have is less likely than the ones more specific to the search (short tail) so a balance must be struck and this is done in the content text.

  • Expertinn

    When it was thought that a google page rank highlights the reputation of a site, the statement no more hold true. I use to do SEO for a site now shows 0 which was 2 before optimization.

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