Google Changing the PageRank Algorithm?
If things keep at this pace I might rename this blog to Daily Google Tips. Over the last two weeks we have been talking about Google every other day. This time it is the PageRank buzz again.
Both Problogger and Copyblogger, two of the most popular blogs on the niche, announced that their PR dropped from 6 to 4. Previously other authority blogs confirmed that they lost PR, but the suspect was towards paid links. Given that Problogger and Copyblogger are not selling links, it might be just a readjustment on the PR scale.
Some people are arguing that since the PR drop is not generalized, it must be a slap from Google due to practices that conflict with its guidelines. Andy Beard suggested that the sites that got penalized were either selling links or exchanging them inside large blog networks. This is a feasible explanation given that most of the Weblogs, Inc blogs (Engadget above all) were penalized, and they do not sell paid links either.
Here is a list that I gathered with big blogs that supposedly lost PR on this issue:
- Statcounter (from 10 to 6)
- Engadget (from 7 to 5)
- AutoBlog (from 6 to 4)
- Problogger (from 6 to 4)
- Copyblogger (from 6 to 4)
- AdesBlog (from 7 to 5)
- Search Engine Journal (from 7 to 4)
- Quick Online Tips (from 6 to 3)
- Search Engine Roundtable (from 7 to 4)
- Blog Herald (from 6 to 4)
- Weblog Tools Collection (from 6 to 4)
- JohnTP (from 6 to 4)
- Coolest Gadgets (from 5 to 3)
- CyberNet News (from 6 to 4)
Update: It looks like mainstream websites that were selling links were also penalized:
- Washington Post (from 7 to 5)
- Washington Times (from 6 to 4)
- Charlotte Observer (from 6 to 4)
- Forbes.com (from 7 to 5)
- SFGate.com (from 7 to 5)
- Sun Times (from 7 to 5)
- New Scientist (from 7 to 5)
- Seattle Times (from 6 to 4)
Update 2: After reading through the avalanche of posts on the subject, it appears that this is not a PageRank update but rather a distribution of penalties (either automatic or manual). The theory that the penalized blogs were either selling links or part of a network that used a cross-linking strategy seems to hold.
Daniel Scocco on October 24, 2007
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Well, it’s pretty much straight that google wants to lower the value of PR in the mind of people.. basically, people do anything to get high PR and then sell links so fluctuating PR on random basis might lower the value of PR and poeple might start giving more importance to other factors (site visitors etc..) before buying the links / ads.
My assumption might not be correct though Deep, I am talking with some friends right now and will update the post soon.
My blog also dropped from 5 to 3 but I’m pretty happy that traffic remains the same. I removed all my sold links and link exchange partners. Will see if this helps to receive back PR.
The PR resources I checked mentioned problogger is still at 6. What resources are you guys using?
http://livepr.raketforskning.com/
Some datacenters will still show a 6, but there are many 4’s there, so its changing over time towards the 4.
oh! my god! this is soooo bad. Problogger deserves 10 page rank! I really think that google should stop acting evil and must concentrate on making the things better or rather improving the Pagerank in a way that it doesn’t give too much weight to the paid links…but penalizing like this is not really good.
Although, one thing is sure that these sites now really don’t depend on the traffic from google.
Hey guys..continue selling the links
Deep - I thought it could be them just lowering the overall value of PR - but how come some blogs are down and some are not?
The text link selling theory doesn’t add up for me - as quite a few blogs that have been hit in the last 24 hours don’t sell them.
The blog network theory could have something to it - although some of the blogs that I’ve seen hit are not in blog networks - or at least are not fully participating in link exchanges - and other blog networks seem untouched despite interlinking (like TechCrunch’s network).
Maris - you’re experience is the same as mine PR is down but traffic is stable from Google. So ultimately for me it doesn’t matter - but it is odd and something I hope Google gives some insight on.
My blog’s PR stayed as 0, hooray.
Networking could be the issue - maybe Google have decided that because many networks interlink their sites when they are not related, they are going to penalise them (as if they were a paid-for directory).
I’d love to hear Google actually comment on what they are doing, rather than leaving everyone to guess.
Darren - I think what could have happened is, they would have picked some xx number of blog, ran a random script which will lower the PR on random basis.. but this PR won’t affect google’s internal PR ranking… this PR is just to show the people and lower the value of PR…
I personally don’t think having a blog network or being part of blog network should affect the PR..I don’t see anything wrong in having a blog network and linking to all their blogs.. this is bit natural that if a person is having xx no. of things then he is going to list all together..
If blog network was the issue then it would have affected google’s own blog too..
for example: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/ links to all of its network blogs and most blogs of that network also links back to google’s official blog as well as other network blog and still their PR is high (e.g. http://buzz.blogger.com/)
So, I think, blog network can’t be the issuse but I still feel it is just random PR lower thing, nothing else..
Google slammed me from 5 down to 3. But now that I’m seeing all these other changes, I don’t feel so bad.
Fortunately, my search traffic has stayed steady.
I’m still going to clean out some paid links and try to be more “valuable” in Google’s eyes.
My HP went from 4 to 2 and I haven’t a clue why.
I haven’t sold any links on it for over a month, I’ve never done a link exchange and have always been careful to follow the Webmaster Guidelines.
That said, since I don’t actively run after PR, I’ll still sleep tonight but I would still like to know what happened.
As if.
I went down one rank also. I first thought it had to do with dmoz not giving juice anymore, but it seems to be something else.
JohnChow.com is a PR 4, down from a PR 5 when I wrote this post:
PAULA NEAL MOONEY: PageRank Dropped from 5 to 4 … Thank God it didn’t drop to zero!
PaulaNealMooney.com dropped from 5 to 4 to now a 3 — but they also penalized me so I don’t rank for “Paula Mooney” nor “blogger salaries” nor other stuff anymore.
Sucks, but I’m glad I’m focused on my other websites — which I hope get a PR soon…
Great post again, Daniel.
As a resident voice on SEO, I can’t help but weigh in on this one.
My working theory isn’t that all of these sites have necessarily been penalized, especially considering many of them are doing nothing wrong. Rather, I believe that the sites linking to them have been largely devalued.
Consider this: The primary audience for many of these sites are bloggers. These sites derive their popularity from others who are quite likely being penalized. Now that the algorithm has been changed and all those links have lost their juice, the popular blogging niche sites are losing PageRank as a byproduct. It’s regrettable, but largely unavoidable.
I’ll keep everyone apprised if I come across a better explanation, but that’s the best I’ve got for now. Honestly, it’s a bit of a head-scratcher, but this is why it’s never advisable to put all your eggs into the Google basket.
Its really sad to know that all the hardwork can be taken away by the “all mighty google” .The just wanna show how powerful n controlling the can be. Mine is has a PR 0 and am still alive and kicking!Don’t lose your sleep..
Know More Media has about 100 interlinking blogs and our PageRanks appear not to have changed - nearly all 6’s across the board for the blogs’ home pages.
Easton, yeah I checked you guys and it was fine. Gawker media, Crunch Network and GigaOM seem to be fine as well.
Wow… Some of those sites took a big hit. What really matters is the fact that these sites will undoubtedly lose a lot of search engine traffic. I’m just glad I’m still holding my PR5.
Now I don’t feel as bad for my PageRank drop from 5 to 4.
I don’t think any of you would complain if you heard of Google’s woes. Google doesn’t rank for “search engine” on google.com! How about that for being ironic?
I noticed my Spy Gadget Blog dropped PR5 to PR3. My directories have dropped 2 points too.
Just wondering, it might be due to the quality of directory and blog links being downgraded, and therefore sites with PR based on those have been hit.
oh! my god! thats so bad.
I have now been hit with a -2 and I’m not selling links and I’m not part of a blog network. Is it possible that Google is going to hit all blogs? If so I think it’s very odd and stupid. If not, there isn’t any reason to penalize my site.
I have small guess, Not sure but possibly
Google can find when you were linked and In how much time for a particular article…If they find high amount of linking all of a sudden. They can go for manual check
If you made a good story and true find…its not considered as positive linking. But if you did by giving money or creating useless competition that can create a problem
I know one thing for sure that Google have both auto and manual check. They should be having some script to find sudden linking and then find exact nature with manual.
Do correct me If I am wrong.
I got hit and dropped from a 4 to a 2.
My PR5 blog went down to a 3 overnight. My PR4 blog went to a 3 last week and is now down to a 2.
Granted, since I do sponsored reviews I expected a little bit of a drop but nothing like this.
If Google are doing this to protect their Adsense revenues from competitors like TLA, then I think it’s safe to say Google has repositioned from being a search engine to being more of a corporate sponsor.
As for me, I just sold off my Google shares. No, I don’t think it’s going to hurt them, but it felt better than slamming my head against my keyboard all morning. Made a nifty little profit, too.
I’m going shopping.
It really should not affect most of the SERP’s but Google or atleast Matt Cutts should make an annoucment on what the hell is going on.
too in italy…
my geeks blog http://www.geekissimo.com from 5 to 3…..
Yeah, AutomoBlog.net went from PR5 to PR3. I wonder how this is going to affect advertisers. Come on Google, let us know what’s going on.
Wow…with all the dropping PRs, my blog still remains at PR5. The sad thing is, I don’t post there now. It has not been updated for *nearly* a month now.
That’s very harsh! I’m still at a PR1. Hopefully I don’t get a 0!
ALL of my sites have dropped, even those that don’t sell links. My main one, though, went from a 6 to now I see today a 3. I don’t know much about SEO and so I’m at a loss. I assumed it was because of sold links but some friends are still hanging at 7 though they also do the paid link thing. I don’t get it…
any word on new sites getting a pagerank for the first time?
I am waiting for some PR gain on http://www.dailywritingtips.com as well, but so far it looks like on the down balls have been distributed
.
Mine was dropped from 6 to 4, but I really think Google should come up with a better, fool-proof strategy to eliminate the whole text ads thing.
Maybe, pulling down the whole pagerank thing (or atleast hiding it from public should do the job), but then they could also come up with something like a tool through which webmasters can report paid links on their pages.
This way, Google can penalize advertisers instead of penalizing poor publishers.
google.. piece of shit
PR is outbound juice, inbound Google traffic should not be effected.
I’m not a big blog, but I dropped from a 3 to a 1, and have jumped to a 6, depending on when I check. I’ve given up on checking my google score, and have basically said screw it with them.
Actually, if you look at it, it doesn’t seem like any sites are above 5. Maybe 5 is the new maximum.
Many italian blogs are also affected:
Napolux.com from 5 to 3
Pandemia.info from 6 to 4
Sw4n.net from 6 to 4
MasterNewMedia.org from 7 to 4
MoreMerchant.com stayed at a 4. I was hoping for a 5, but after all that happened a 4 is now like the old 6.
We have to now rethink about pagerank. It will take time, but the 3 is now a 5 and the 4 is a 6. Easy as that. No worried.
If they change it again… we will adapt again.
A couple of thoughts in my mind
.) Google is changing the scale. IE. PR 5 will soon be considered a lot more valuable than it has been.
.) They’re doing some algo tinkering
.) They’re decreasing the link quality of blogs overall, so those relying on that have been hit. Although CourtneyTuttle.com down to #1 is just ridiculous.
I’ve been utterly fascinated by the whole thing! My rank went from 5 to 4, and now it’s back up to 5…go figure…..
and traffic hasn’t changed considerably….
One thing I noticed though has been the number of blog networks that have been liking exclusively to the others in the network as well as to blog posts within the same blog. This has definitely given some blog network blogs inflated page rank…essentially, they’re not really as important as they (literally) made themselves out to be…
but if you think of it another way–this is all supposed to be “social media” correct? then it’s really kind of anti-social (and alot like old media) when blog networks only link to those in their network. Maybe that’s why both the networks and the msm newspaper blogs took big hits.
You guys should keep in mind that traffic will not change overnight as the PR does. PR that appears on the sidebar is just nominal, and it refers to real ranks coming from 2 months or so ago.
Another notable website you might want to add to your list, Dan, is adesblog.com that used to be PR7 and some datacenters show its dropping to PR5.
What’s sad is, some blogs (and I know of one personally) that are PR7 and openly sell dozens of links yet were not penalized.
I don’t particularly care about those who lost a PR or two. Who cares since everyone lost?
More importantly, who went up? That’s what I would like to know and how did they go up?
Mine has remained PR4
My website still has 0 pagerank. I suck.
All my websites have 0 p. rank. I’m a loser baby, so why don’t you kill me?
Only downgrades have been reported so far, that is why it might not be a PR update in the standard sense of the term.
How about this Daniel…with the boom in blogs, and all the linking increase, maybe Google are making the bar to reach certain levels of PageRank, higher? Maybe it’s just a matter of time before all PR’s go down, and that will then level out the competition.
That might help with understanding why the actual SERP’s haven’t really changed.
Armen, I raised that hypothesis on the post in fact.
It could be, but it should not take that much time for most of the sites to start showing a PR change.
As the time passes I am more skeptical about that option.
Sorry Daniel, I missed that little “it might be just a readjustment on the PR scale” phrase.
It definately is interesting. I would say that we’re better just to sit tight, and wait till more is revealed, however, you’ve just landed yourself a serious piece of ‘linkbait’ here by writing about it
It’s funny how Matt’s buddy Mr. Wolf did not get hit even thought he has a text-link-ads ad on his front page. I think google is out of control with this. They need to stop hounding sites which people REALLY READ like this, andy wash post etc. And start worring about the 1000’s of scraper adsense pages that fill up the google blog serps, and other directories.
Just my opinion thought. I wish a boycott of google would do any good. But prob not. They are officially the 300lb gorilla now.
My SEO blog, http://www.jasonbartholme.com went from a PR5 to PR3. Sucks.
Maybe its time for a new boss. Let the people speak.
No problems here, still a 7.
Interesting reading…I’m glad I haven’t started my blog yet. Being a slow learner sometimes pays off, I guess. I have no worries with PR…oh, yes! I do…I don’t even know where to find that magic #. I should probably check if my empty blog space’s title has been ranked. Wouldn’t that be hilarious?
Procrastination bug, or is it the gutless bug? That is what sucks…not the PR 1, not even PR 0!
Mine went down from 5 to 3.
Ouch. From a 7 to a 4?!?! Wow. I’m shocked at that big drop.
I think Google has edited the PageRank scores of several sites in manually. I was so curious, Google didn’t update the PageRank of all sites in 3 or 4 months. It’s being 5 months, Google has late, if Google implementing new algorithm, I think that all webmasters and SEO will use more powerful and significant strategies to sneakily cheat the Google crawler. Unless, if Google is using human-edited way. I have written about this at http://surayblog.blogspot.com/.....tober.html
Hey guys
Why do yoiu get concerned about this PR issue?It is just a number. Concentrate on writing great posts on your blog.Google friendly blogs (those with high PR) will link to them.Google will end up bringing you traffic through tthem.
I’m a search engine engineer and I’m going to give you some free advice: Ignore PageRank.
It hasn’t been used for a long time and they change it now and again to make those who know little about how the algorithms and weightings of various web pages work have kittens now and again.
All it is these days is a useful little tool to keep people in suspense. Just ignore it.
My site has dropped from PR6 to PR5, but suspect this is due to my switch from Ubuntu Linux content to discussioning my mother-in-law purposefully losing my socks which handling laundry & other family related posts.
In spanish too:
http://www.error500.net
Pagerank 6 -> Pagerank 3
My blog has also suffered and it was downgraded from PR5 to PR3.
If the update is over, I didn’t see any change in my PRs. I hope it is.
Another big blog to be hit with a double whammy is Entrepreneurs Journey. From 6 to 5 and now it’s a 4.
AdesBlog went from a 7 straight to 5.
emigre, I am not sure if this was a proper update or just a manual adjustment for the mentioned blogs. If it was an update than all other blogs still got see some PR change.
HA-HA
Here is a confirmation from Google itself, I just found on webmasterworld. (http://www.webmasterworld.com/google/3472449.htm)
“Danny Sullivan wrote a very informative post yesterday about the selective PR rollback some sites experienced last week, and makes some astonishing claims -
So I pinged Google, and they confirmed that PageRank scores are being lowered for some sites that sell links
and
In addition, Google said that some sites that are selling links may indeed end up being dropped from its search engine or have penalties attached to prevent them from ranking well
and
Google stressed, by the way, that the current set of PageRank decreases is not assigned completely automatically; the majority of these decreases happened after a human review. ”
As you can see, it’ not an automatic update. It has been done after a human review. One edu site (http://daily.stanford.edu/) which used to sell has also been down from PR 9 to PR 7. This may also be an interesting read :
http://searchengineland.com/071007-173841.php
I don’t think it was a Google PR update. To me it looks like it was hand edited penalties.
Very surprised at the big change.
Thank you for the fast info.
I’ve emailed Patrick Gavin, CEO of Text-Link-Ads about this, who I did some consulting for back when they first started out. Curious to see what their public response will be.
Seems like a humongous bonehead move on the part of Google; they’re only creating reasons for influential tech sites not to use their services anymore. This is the kind of thing I’m willing to drop everything I have with them over.
My site also dropped from PR6 to PR4, though I’ve seen only about a 5% drop in traffic over the last month.
Interestingly, I sort of knew something like this was coming since my AdSense revenues have been down almost 50% over the last month. Fortunately it is not my sole source of income.
Well, they dropped mine from PR7 to PR4. I have checked with Text Link Ads and of course they say this is not going to affect their/our business.
Has anyone noticed a change after removing their paid links?
I have stayed the same….
But, incoming links have increased and traffic is steady…
Any idea on the total number of websites that lost their PR?
I would say that a hundred of them at least. I saw a lot of small bloggers complaining as well.
How is it possible that an index page has disappeared from Google result after being on the first page for 1 year?
One of my old domain dropped pagerank form 5 to 3 too
Is Google addressing this publicly yet?
Tim, not yet.
Google: “You probably already know about Amazon, Engadget, Ebay, CNet, 4Chan, Wikipedia, and Jesusishitler.com; so we are going to give you results that you may not have known about, but that are equally as relevant.”
Woohoo! Google has finally rewarded my humble little PR 0 website a ranking update. My site has gone from 0 to 3.
Well, eat your heart out to those who lost your ranking. Mine got a thumbs up from Big G!
If you are down on the PR 0 ranking…..the only way to go is UP!
Link safely.
Mohd Nizam
http://www.myinternetmarketingblueprints.com
It looks like its a real update now, with sites actually gaining PR.
Wow, this madness has been the buzz of like every forum I visit!
This all suggest that Google don’t want to remove page rank from toolbar as G fear that most of webmasters will then uninstall their toolbar
But at the same time G want to convey that PR is no that important as it used to be earlier… This si to prevent link selling business…
youtube.com PR > 3
Ironically, on one of the sites offering a PR calculator tool, there is an AdSense ad for Text-Link-Ads!
Holy s… One of My website suddenly drop from 5 to 2, have only Google ad sense ads, no link selling or buying, no text ads…
It has quality content, many visitors and instead of increase from PR5 -
and got PR2?
youtoube.com = PR3? What’s going on out there?
Wow, this madness has been the buzz of like every forum I visit!
http://www.89videoizle.com
hmmm realy youtube pr 3 :S
google.com.tr = pr 7
omg..
My two year old blog Table for Five went from PR4 to PR3. But, my six month old blog MomReviews went UP from PR0 to PR2, and my five month old blog MomCooks also went up from PR0 to PR2. I always thought that the age of the blog was one of the determining factors.
The only explanation I can think of is that I sell Text Link Ads and LinkWorth ads on Table for Five. MomReviews has one multi-rotating ad running, and one affilliate ad. MomCooks has BlogHer Ads, Auction Ads, and Adsense. But, I’ve only written 42 posts on it! And yet it’s only one rank step away from a two year old blog with probably close to a thousand posts? It makes no sense.
There was so much talk about this I wasn’t going to post anything on my blog about it, until I found out mine went from a PR0 to a PR2.
Up two is not bad considering so many lost PR’s, but then again, I couldn’t have gone below a PR0 anyway.
This has been the highest traffic month for my site. I checked my Google PageRank and it went from “5″ to “1″!!! I still have sections of my site with PR’s of 2, 3, and 4. One of my client sites went from “0″ to “5″.
I am really confused. In the end I just hope this does not affect my SERPs…
Hey,
Good article. I hope you don’t mind, but I borrowed your list of affected sites for my explanation of the pagerank changes. I did give a backlink though, but god knows, that might be dangerous nowadays
-XMCP
PS: If you feel like taking a look, the article is over at http://www.slightlyshadyseo.com/?p=36 , I’d be glad to know what you think.
Does G re-scaling the keywords also Im busted all of my keywords dropped!
every one have seen changed in their web page’s PR updates but majority have seen their web sites PR get down , stable, higher is for few one.
my web directory is also get from 6 to 3 PR
http://www.search4i.com
PR is updated just reently
I just finished a brand new site and it now has a pr4 rating overnight.
People, Randy, then I have _some_ ‘news’ for you,
Somehow, and I really don’t know why, my site dropped from a pr4 to pr0.
No, I don’t sell links or whatever. I am sometimes busy on blogcatalog and technorati and mybloglog, etc.etc. to link up with people who are in my specific line of work (photography). I also have a lot of ‘fans’ who are linking to me, and yes, most of them get a link back from me. I think in the last week I added about 10 new links on my site, where it was quiet a few weeks before that because I was on a holiday for quite some time (Indonesia, see my blog for photos). My technorati rank rose from 18 to 34 in the last couple of days, probably because of all the new links pointing to my articles. Seems people like my work.
But somehow the people from Google don’t like my photography. I recently applied for adsense on my page. didn’t have anything at the time. I got a nasty mail back that my blog was’nt worth their while and was rejected from adsense (and no, I don’t do porn stuff, just landscapes, culture, and people :P)
Immediately after that mail my pagerank dropped from pr4 to pr0. I am not sure whether it had to do with my application for adsense and their rejection, but I think it is rather suspicious, even if they were ‘updating’…
penalty ? for what ? because I have beautiful photography on my site (which is my own work, so it isn’t any copyright violation
[mental note: write lawyer to sue myself], or because I have added too many links in a week’s time ? (and others to me for that fact…)
Well, so sorry people from Google, that I am an enthousiastic blogger.
I use google regularly (and I think almost everybody does) to look up things on their search engine. However, now that they are clearly so biased in their attitude towards bloggers or enthousiasts, I am now searching for competing alternatives. There are not many, unfortunately.
Rick Wezenaar
photographer
ps. Next to my photography I am also an experienced UNIX Consultant. I recently got an invitation to work with google, because my skillset matched with one of their positions. I am not sorry I didn’t accept the offer…
Its interesting topic about the google PR slap. I have noticed PR increase in many of the sites I own while reading others have PR drop.
At http://www.bamabots.com we saw no impact to our PR rank but a lot of our competitors did. Most of them do not have any paid links, but we appear to still be a very solid 5. However, we dropped in the serps while the others improved? Which makes no sense. I’m not really sure what Google has changed, but it goes beyond just paid links.
My site http://www.battlecall.com has had a very consistently high pagerank, it moves from 6 to 4 and sometimes 5, so I don’t know what’s up with Google.
I don’t worry about Google. Google is not the law and its policies and vagaries are virtually ignored by the media and by every established corporation and every big advertising agency in the world. Except among bloggers and SEO parasites, Google’s webmaster policies are never news.
The online world of Google is an unhealthy environment. I’d rather be hiking.
Ok, so if we get kicked in the balls because we are buying and selling links, but not for having advert banners on our site, how on earth are we suppose to get in/on search engines??
The recent page rank drop can be seen as both a disaster and oppotunity.
Disaster for those that experience the page rank drop while opportunity for SEO firms offering website optimization services.
Instead of looking back and frowning about what might happen next, I think the best step to take is to further improve on your back links and further optimize your web page.
My site, ultimate-reviews.net, dropped from PR6 to PR4 as well. I have never participated in link exchanges and am very confused as to why I was hit so hard.
I think people should not sell/buy links.
What about those who cant afford??
This is ridiculous. Main site of the domain dropped from pr3 to pr0 (no link exchange or selling, static text), but the subpages containing we directory (no link exchange or selling) raised from pr2 to pr3. Crap content over normal text? Is this really an update or just a mistake?
Tomson, we all wish it was a mistake.
When are they updating again?
Are they updating again? What about your side bars - do you get penalized for having links back to archived posts…posts that you have made already?
Yes they are updating again.
My website just went from a PR 4->PR 2
Today (just now) it went from PR2->PR0.
Life is hard..
Thanks for visiting averyone!
Looks like Statcounter has got their PR 10 back, they have put a NoFollow tag on their textlinks in the “Recommend” Menu item.
After that they probably requested a reconsideration request to Google like Joost de Valk did:
http://www.joostdevalk.nl/i-re.....rank-back/
It seems like the battle-field is changing constantly
get the idea of this post - [www].fatalic.com/page-rank-panic-trust-your-eyes/
I thought pr ranks doesn’t matter as long as you write your blogs and make research out of it. I was wrong. They were asking for prs. Link with me please.
PR is not relevant at all.
Why do people worry about PR still?
Relevance is all important so SEO guys are making money for old rope.
Page rank has all the hype these days out in the web-world. It seems that we’ve relied upon Goggle for so long to tell us where we stand with our peers that we’re unable to divorce ourselves from the Googlemonster now that we’re unhappy with the way it’s treating us. It’s all the buzz on blogs across the web all because Google redid the algorithm by which PR is determined and a lot of “important” sites lost rank.
Google is not identifing correctly selling sites…
i never sold a link from my site ucables.com, but this summer i put a link to my new girlffriend website about real estate: ibizaloft.com to help her to get some traffic and from october i lost my pagerank from 5 to 0.
i have send some messages to google to reconsider my site, but i have not received any response after 2 months. My traffic decreased 20% and continue decreasing. I have removed this link already from my site.
I think google should try at least to contact with owner before to do this type of action.
Why not decrease rank of payed links from adsense too?
Some years ago, when google was created we love google because, all service that offers was free, and contributed to the original internet spirit to share all, with easy and simple way.
Actually google seems to be corrupted and bad directed for the money.
Sorry my bad english i hope you can understand me.
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Google must not stop link selling
Because google must think webmasters
I thought your readers may want to check their website’s google rank.
I use:
http://www.urlpagerank.com
The thing is… I am now having trouble finding stuff or it is taking me longer when using Google. Sites that used to rank for their domain name are no longer showing up if you use spaces in between words in the domain name when searching.. If I am searching for something named “the white cat” and there is a website at thewhitecat.com, it should show up with minimal effort from the webmaster.
It may be time to start using Yahoo or some other search engine as my starting points..
I’m not selling links, but i have a PR3 now, from PR5.
Why?
I’m really disappointed that my PR dropped from 2 to 0. I know it’s a relatively new blog, but I just don’t know why Google wouldn’t want people to earn from their blogs.
my site pr 0
I have just added new tool to check all Google DataCenters for PageRank
Gawd, mine had gone to N/A too, I hate the fact that they have to reduce our PR’s just because we monetize our blogs. What’s the catch anyway? They do the same thing, too I guess on their ‘other’ websites perhaps. Damnn, it makes me go all crazy
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Algorithm of Page Rank already is discontinued
Many of the services of Google also need urgent update, is why Google prefers to buy to other companies of Internet.
That small finder that began many years ago very good, because only era of text, very fast and efficient, that antigüo AltaVista moved my, nowadays became a Giant.
But that has happened with the progress of his so promoted PageRank? By the sight it has not evolved in the same way, as much money and they have not managed to optimize it.
In summary the PageRank de Google or PR simply is a numerical value that it represents the importance that a page Web has in Internet, this value is obtained through the bonds that make other pages Web to your site. (it is a summary of the great roll of his operation) the PR has been that has not evolved as it would wish the user it, many webmasters astute position their Web in the first results search of Google and when we make a search as simple as the task of your primary son of the first results that we obtain is companies doing publicity to their products/services and nor to speak of the swindles that abound by Internet.
What happened with the quality of content? , What happened with the Google that invented an algorithm to benefit the searches from the users? Simply it turned towards the money of the publicity and grew like great company forgetting its roots.
As much it forgot its past that now cannot produce some own project, I buy to YouTube because GoogleVideos did not do competition to him.
Purchase technology of other projects Web because although it is certain that it sees future in them, same Google does not have it developed.
It must have given Google account of its own weakness that now has a Laboratory as they call to him for own projects. But and what has of their essence? To as much to arrived the weakness from the PageRank that now Google penalizes to the sites of high PR that sells links, or the case of the page of a well-known Alemana company that was penalized by unsuitable practices of positioning Web. Acting as Goliat is giving bad reputation him to Google.
To many webmasters is to them beneficial to work with Adsense, but victims of a repression feel, to the being directed by norms imposed by the greatest finder of history.
Now we asked ourselves, Who is making its work bad? Webmasters or the PageRank de Google? Although it is certain that webmasters are many bad, also are many more if they are good, that they include/understand that to give content of quality to the users it is more important that to fill to its pages Web of words that position them in the finders.
What is failing in the PageRank? As lack would claim to my grandmother… him to it to be more human, he is incredible that the heart of the finder, does not have the greater budget of investigation and development.
Hay Competition at this moment? Lamentably next as Yahoo and MSN do not approach which the user wishes and for that reason the Monopoly of Google almost is guaranteed.
Inevitably the users little by little could emigrate to another finder, as flock of doves, if this were more cash in the searches, but at the moment Google does not have competition, although personally I have seen some other finders with very interesting characteristics.
They already say: It does not have bad lasts one hundred years, nor body that resists it and in Internet the years are months…
A couple of thoughts in my mind
.) Google is changing the scale. IE. PR 5 will soon be considered a lot more valuable than it has been.
It is clear that PR updation is necessory becoz it is requirement of better search results….some guys buy paid links and listing becoz of that relevant results hampered.. Indian Exporters Manufacturers Directory http://www.trademart.in/
I got hit and dropped from a 5 to a 2.
my PR3 has just dropped to PR0 ! I am really sad. Hopefully it will goes back up in no time.
ohh….i’m newbie,,, I don’t have a page rank yet,, please give me advice…
It hit me a lot too. My PR is now 0 and a lot of links don’t show up in Google search too. Damn!!
This is pure rubbish and shows the highhandedness of Google. If Google can sell advertising why cant we sell links for money. Google is doing exactly what Microsoft did. Just that no anti-trust is against them.
I think people should not sell/buy links.
What about those who cant afford??
is there a new page rank update? my blog’s PR dropped..
my PR drop from 5 to 4 last week.
Today it got a free fall from 4 to 0
sad…..:(
My PR has dropped from 5 or 4 to 0 over the past few months.
However, my SERPS has improved dramatically..
I have text link ads on site, and added a page to advertise on my site - do you think that this could have any effect…?
What is Google doing with its PageRank? My site has just been dropped from PR2 to PR1.
Wowza… it seems Google is really coming down hard on some blogs… and no one can seem to figure out exactly how that algorithim works anyhow … =( But I guess that’s how Google dominates right?
yeah,my website`s PR is goind down.From PR6 to PR4 .
Hi,
My PR went from 4 to 2, but i did’t do any paid links.
thanks you
What can a new site expect to receive from Google in Terms of Ranks, ex: PR 3, PR4..etc
Any comments would be great.
The differences are just variations caused by the update itself.
As i know of page rank algorithm It is based on some factors, but in short we can say good website contnt wise and layout wise may have good PR I made my website Holidays In India - http://www.myfirstholiday.com/ from good content and layout as i got one (1) PR only in 2 month
I recenty lanuched my website and it’s showing 0/10 so I am waiting for google to update his rank so i will able to see where am i
I think people should not sell/buy links
thanks you
Here we go again next
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do you suppose the folks at Google sit in their cubes all day reading these things and just laugh because we’re all looking for the Ark of the Convenant in the wrong pyramid?
I have been reading your blog last couple of weeks and enjoy every bit. Thanks.
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Big frustation indeed. People start to get bored and begin to concentrate on other measurement like Alexa etc.
How can we increase our page rank from pr4 to a superior page rank ?
Are the relevant backlinks the main element in order to achieve a better page rank ?
Thank you
How can we increase out page rank ?
Are the relevant backlinks the only elements that matters ?
Thank you
I have now been hit with a -2 and I’m not selling links and I’m not part of a blog network. Is it possible that Google is going to hit all blogs? If so I think it’s very odd and stupid. If not, there isn’t any reason to penalize my site
My PR went from 5 to 4 and the home page is not a blog….
But I do exchange links….
Thanks for valuable information about sell and buy links
Does PageRank matter anymore? It doesn’t seem to affect rankings. At least, not in my experience…
I wish I understood what I need to do to be smiled upon by Google. There is so much confusing info out there that I am not sure anyone knows exactly how to get on Google’s good side.
thans
Google is not the law and its policies and vagaries are virtually ignored by the media and by every established corporation and every big advertising agency in the world.
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I am certain pagerank is not as important as it once was, what is important is ranking. I would much rather have a high ranking than high pagerank any day.
well I was reading an article posted by someone its about PR 0 here is the link http://fullorissa.com/forum/fo.....p?TID=2769
well is that observation correct? I mean abt zero PR??? or thats just an observation which is of no use?
could someone reply to this?
nice.. thanx
check out my article about Google Page Rank Update - the PR Mysterious Excitement!
Google must not stop link selling
Because google must think webmasters
Which time update google Page Rank
which time update google Page Rank http://webmasterworld01.blogspot.com/
How many good back links gain Page Rank
tenks
Good explaination,
But found that these most of these sites yet contain same page rank.
Jay,
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Wish I knew more about how Google does things. Its a big mystery to see you sites jump all around in the search engines and go up and down with the PR
How can we increase out page rank ?
One of my websites have PR4 from two years and don’t grow
thanks
I think the google page rank is getting a thing of the past.
Trouble is google has all us webmasters paranoid, i think the safe thing to do is to have any external links with the no follow tag.
Thats just the way is seems to be going.
My blog also dropped from 5 to 3 but I’m pretty happy that traffic remains the same. I removed all my sold links and link exchange partners. Will see if this helps to receive back PR.
How can we increase out page rank ?
Are the relevant backlinks the only elements that matters ?
Thank you!
What is pagerank-algorithm of google
Wow, this madness has been the buzz of like every forum I visit!
We went from a 6 to a 3 yesterday - it has not touched our google traffic though.
Thanks Google!
I think the next update is coming… hope so too.
My two year old blog Table for Five went from PR4 to PR3. But, my six month old blog MomReviews went UP from PR0 to PR2, and my five month old blog MomCooks also went up from PR0 to PR2. I always thought that the age of the blog was one of the determining factors.
we are also puzzled with what happened to our google page rank. it decreased from 2 to 0 right now, but it is a good thing traffic still remains the same. we really have no idea what happened.
hi guys
My blog got a PR 4 from PR 3 in the recent PR change.but all my search results have vanished. Earlier my blog was on first 5 positions on keywords like ‘c interview questions’. But not its found nowhere. Please suggest me the reason for this.
very intresting, google is so smart.
Google must not stop link selling
Google page rank update I have gain page rank 0 to 2
My blog’s PR stayed as 2, hooray.
I run a research web site, and my page rank just dropped from 4 to 0!
thanks you.
D:
very hardworking company.
My site http://www.jigsawconferences.co.uk for the travel page went down to, but i think its to do with competitors pointing dodgy links to my page and making to fall.
Anyway I have started again, let see what happens
Hi! My PR remains at 1. Expecting for a increase the next time around.
thanks you..
Whatever you do, you are always at the mercy of whoever calls the shots! Easy to see that what Google is after is decreasing the importance of PR through paid and exchange links, so that we rely more on their (Google’s) paid advertising.
I think people should not sell/buy links.
and the people who would don’t own an iPhone! Ha ha!
Thank you man
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Pagerank is computed based on many factors according to your website’s relevancy into many different topics on the web. Among these ‘different topics’ on the web, Google either, takes the average or gives the highest rank from any web topic, and the result is your pagerank score.
Since pagerank is based on many topics(CIRCA Technology, Topic-Sensitive Pagerank), Goggle probably updated their list of web topics, and as a result your website’s relevancy to these new web topics changed affecting your total Pagerank score.
Whats important is theres no drastic change in your ranking on google searches, if there is then you’re probably penalized for bad SEO tactics.
But if you used sound SEO practices and delivered useful contents in your site theres no need to worry much about these updates.
Thank you for documents.
Really informative article, it helped me a lot, had to come back a few times and readi it again. keep up the good work, thanks
It is useful
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Getting page rank has been nothing short of a nightmare for me so far,
I’ve tried to be selective with my links as to where my mine are going but are still coming up short. Frustrating!
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Does G re-scaling the keywords also Im busted all of my keywords dropped!
thanks youu.
so nice imformation
I think people should not sell/buy links. What about those who cant afford??
Fortunately, my search traffic has stayed steady.
I’m still going to clean out some paid links and try to be more “valuable” in Google’s eyes.
Now I don’t feel as bad for my PageRank drop from 4 to 3.
Darren - I think what could have happened is, they would have picked some xx number of blog, ran a random script which will lower the PR on random basis.. but this PR won’t affect google’s internal PR ranking… this PR is just to show the people and lower the value of PR…
I personally don’t think having a blog network or being part of blog network should affect the PR..I don’t see anything wrong in having a blog network and linking to all their blogs.. this is bit natural that if a person is having xx no. of things then he is going to list all together..
If blog network was the issue then it would have affected google’s own blog too..
Some datacenters will still show a 5, but there are many 3’s there, so its changing over time towards the 3.
thank you for your document
Thanks for writing an article on this, i recently read the one on problogger about it however he did not go in to any depth.
That sites would be penalized for is an intriguing thought. I run a website on a very marginal topic (opera tenors) and probably since there aren’t too many sites of the same kind, the site was for a couple of years a PR5 site. It then dropped to pr4, curiously when I started with text link advertising, and now that I have a few text links (but not many), my PR all of a sudden dropped to 2. I have more or less the same amount of visitors as before, and good incoming links, so quite frankly I cannot understand why my page rank would drop radically. I maintain other sites with a lot less activity and traffic that are PR3 sites. Doesn’t make any sense to me.
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But don’t you think the PR is now more realistic?
Page rank is based on various factors and being from the SEO industry we always emphasis on good SEO techniques rather than pagerank. Page rank may go up and down on a given update but if you follow the guidelines and have done your homework you should not expect a dramatic change in page rank.
Although most websites lost their PR after this update but some sites still maintains their PR what does it mean? Quality links or search engine friendly web design and development of sites.
Hi,
I am a new blogger and PR is very important to me. I want to inject ads on my new blog. Can someone answer me if I choose Chitika or Cliksor over google adsense, will my PR be affected?
Thanks in advance!
Cheers!
Metropolismom
It is funny to see, how many people discuss, how the google pr algorithm can looks like
thanks som uch
Seems like the blogs PR’s were hit the hardest.
I’d like to boost my PR higher than what it is. Working on that right now.
Thanks.
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well .. what effects site ranking in google ?? if pagerank doesnt work anymore ..
what is the next
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thnx. great!.
wow….really nice…big thanks
My site PR has been slapped to ZERO from PR 3 . I’m not involved in paid post yet my site was penalised. This is the second time from 0 to 1, slapped to zero, regain to PR 3 and back to zero.
Although PR may change, the position in SERPs do not, so it is another disinformation tool by Gooogle
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Well, if Google wanted to create a virtual toy that everyone will play with, for sure they did it with the page rank tool. I am not sure if this was the initial purpose of it but, however, I don’t really see it as an important fact in the SEO process. However, I spend valuable time dealing with the little green bar. And yes, I do hope my page rank will increase, or at least it won’t decrease, as it happened last time, although my web sites are not involved in any kind of paid link programs.
Pagerank is for good.
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Nice article , thanks..
thanks for your information bro..
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My website has done nothing in terms of selling links. My only advertising is adsense, and the main focus of the site is selling an ebook about wholesale trade, an industry of which I am familiar.
And, as far as I tell, I am not attached to any blog farm, link farm, etc. I have about a 1000 + links that are through like minded websites, non-niche specific websites, and signatures from the wholesale forums I am a member of..
The only change I made was adding 40 pages of new articles, all original content. I did not change anything in the landing page. And low and behold, yesterday I woke up with a PR 3 staring me in the face after five years of holding steady at a PR 4.
I thought it was just me, and, as it has been stated here, I think that it is an overall shakeout of sites old and new.
Seems that low ranking sites are getting a boost, while established sites are getting knocked down a peg. I noticed that my competitors are taking a hit as well. Most established sites (even those started in the mid to late 90’s) have fallen from PR 6 to 5, and 5 to 4.
AS A SIDENOTE, LET ME JUST SAY THANKS!
THANKS GOOGLE FOR REWARDING THOSE OF US WHO
PLAY BY THE RULES - BY KNOCKING US DOWN IN PAGE RANK!
Overall I think this is a lesson. While it is a good thing to have a favorable PR, or Alexa ranking as an overall evaluation for when you want to sell your website, page rank has never put money in my Paypal or bank account.
I think I’m going to concentrate on my own standard of website evaluation and judge it by it’s “wagerank”.
I will judge my sites based on the amount of income they produce, not on the PR they receive. Google can give me a PR of 1 for all I care, as long as I get my pages indexed for the niches I pursue, and the keywords that I think will convert.
INCOME IS THE NEW PAGE RANK!
Call me Captain obvious, but Google is wielding too much power in the Search Engine and PPC advertising market.
Someone with a better idea for a unique searching experience, or a niche in the SE marketplace needs to be brought forth. There needs to be a clear fourth, or even a fifth competitor to the current big three.
Matter of fact, I would like to see 10 new search engines, but that is probably not realistic or even feasible. I would settle for five search engines total, including Yahoo, MSN, and Google. If there were two more competitors, it would tend to even out things a bit.
Google has 63% (probably more by now - these are 2007 numbers from Hitwise.com) of search volume, followed by Yahoo - 21.40%, MSN.com, 9.95%, Ask.com, 3.5%, AOL.com, 0.54%, and all other secondary SE’s about 1.15%..
I don’t have anything against Google personally, and I think overall, they have a good product. But, having over 60% of the search volume is just too much power for one company.
Spliting the volume among a few more SE’s, with each having about 20% of market share would be more to my liking, but, here again, probably not very realistic.
Also troubling is the fact that Google has the cash to buy up important Internet advertising companies like Doubleclick for 3.1 billion with a “B” dollars, in addition to acquiring Youtube.
Personally, I don’t have anything against the fundamentals of the “Goog”. I think they have some good products, and I like their Engine. I just don’t like having to bow at their alter..
The Web is about freedom for the Internet masses. Not being held to one standard of search, or somewhat vauge and arbitrary rules when it comes to being listed in their index, what kind of links you can have on your site, and being banned from the listings without explanation.
I hope there is someone out there with a small rack of servers just like Google started out with - who just might be the next challenger to the Search Engine throne.
I hope too, that if this up and coming SE company does take a bit of the market share away from the Goog, that they will stay as humble as their beginnings were. But, I think, just like everyone who gets a taste of success, that eventually, the greed monster takes a hold of us all..
Thats my Google rant..
Robert C - The Wholesale Guy..
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A couple of thoughts in my mind
Google is changing the scale. IE. PR 5 will soon be considered a lot more valuable than it has been.
My site ( http://www.thatsmycash.com.au/ ) Has no PR
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how long does it take to get a PR on a website?
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David
Deep - I thought it could be them just lowering the overall value of PR - but how come some blogs are down and some are not?
The text link selling theory doesn’t add up for me - as quite a few blogs that have been hit in the last 24 hours don’t sell them.
The blog network theory could have something to it - although some of the blogs that I’ve seen hit are not in blog networks - or at least are not fully participating in link exchanges - and other blog networks seem untouched despite interlinking (like TechCrunch’s network).
Maris - you’re experience is the same as mine PR is down but traffic is stable from Google. So ultimately for me it doesn’t matter - but it is odd and something I hope Google gives some insight on.
Thanks for article.. its nice
oo good. thank you
I have noticed some minor changes in PR in this month, but i think that is not general PR update, can any body let me know
thanks man
Let’s hope the PR changes slow down as we go along. But who knows, I wouldn’t be surprised if Google did away w/ the concept of PR altogether. Either way we will adapt!
I have experienced a lower page rank after selling links and consecuently the ranking on the SERPS becames bad.
So you better don’t sell links on your website.
Good luck!
Hi dear
As from many comments over here at this very old article in
2007.but what about the year 2008 updation of google .
I think there is nothing in this article so pls give a update info.
Raj
thank you for your document
thanks very good post and blog
Page rank is such a tricky beast - for so many things it is worthless - it will never tell you how much organic traffic you’re going to get. I’ve seen many page rank 0 and page rank 1 sites outperform page rank 3 and 4 sites. Page rank is good for showing off, but it’s like driving in golf, drive for show putt for dough…
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thanks very good post and blog
Google page rank is so ephemeral, it’s here one minute and gone the next. Really I just want to dominate the SERPs - you can take my PR and shove it!
Ok I learned something new today! thanks a lot!
PR is not relevant at all. Why do people worry about PR still?As long as you get traffic , who cares about PR .
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its very nice good project.
thank you good article
How long does it usually take for a new site to get a higher ranking than zero?
google started to be suckkkkkk company
great post
thanks for shareing.
thank you for the information it seems useful
This isn’t a surprise. They’re constantly changing the algorythm. It’s best for everyone. I think eventually they will actually go to people reviewing the sites.
when googel update rank ?
Algorithm criteria google had used this time to update the PR does any one knows?
I have 2 blogs and they have both dropped today from PR1 to PR0 at the same time http://www.countingcards.co.uk and http://www.makecashwithebay.co.uk anyone know why? HELP.
Thank for Sharee
My website pagerank was dropped from 1 to 0
Algorithm criteria google had used this time to update the PR does any one knows?
I agree that this is not surprise, and this is happening all the time.
This is not the first time that such thing happens.
I don’t know what changes Google made to the algorithm, I had quite a few sites drop and a few that picked up page rank. It’s always so hard to tell which sites are going to pick up PR and which ones are going to lose it.
Thank’s google , my pr 1…
thanks
My website pagerank was dropped from 1 to 0
PR might be a slight indication of important your site might be, but it really doesn’t mean everything, like one comment above that you get PR 3 sites outranking PR 5 sites! Google has about 200 different factors influencing where your site would be on the SERP’s.
Yeah very google
Thanks for the tips!
Google only updates its pagerank once every few months.
thanks,
Google only updates its pagerank once every few months.
Well let me boo hoo with the rest of you. My blog was PR4 to a PR0 so there you have it. Doing the walk of shame. Until I noticed another one of my sites got a PR4 and I don’t even have content on the site.
lolol
I feel better knowing regardless of what Google is doing or NOT there really isn’t one solution that makes sense. Therefore doe PR really matter? Sure if you are boasting about it, but be afraid very afraid, one day it won’t be there anymore.
thank you for this beneficial post.
Thank you very nice
Thanks for the tips!
thank you
My website pagerank was dropped from 0to 1
^^^^^^
How can your page rank drop from a 0 to a 1? Lol
My page ranks have been rising, but I had never had one until the last update.
I went down one rank also. I first thought it had to do with dmoz not giving juice anymore, but it seems to be something else.
My PR went from 4 to 3, but my traffic rose.
Know More Media has about 100 interlinking blogs and our PageRanks appear not to have changed - nearly all 6’s across the board for the blogs’ home pages.
This is obvious, and it is normal, google needs to be always changing the rules, that is the business, and I agree.
Javier Yep Garcia
SEO Expert
Selling links, today this is playing with fire. How are you sure those sites were not selling links?
oh! my god! this is soooo bad. Problogger deserves 10 page rank! I really think that google should stop acting evil and must concentrate on making the things better or rather improving the Pagerank in a way that it doesn’t give too much weight to the paid links…but penalizing like this is not really good.
Although, one thing is sure that these sites now really don’t depend on the traffic from google.
Hey guys..continue selling the links
i just found this really great article and would like to say thank you.
@siyasetc
i think you mean from 1 to 0
I went up one rank also.
I don’t know what I did wrong. I built more backlinks at a steady pace, added useful content and my site got dropped from a PR2 to a PR1. I was honestly expecting to move up to PR3sometime this year but I guess Google is against me.
Today Google rules, so, you better don’t sell links. it that simple.
Want to get penalized? I dont think so.
yes, I lost my PR4 to PR0 overnight about three weeks ago. Then, it got back up again last week and a few days later dropped to 0 again - ;-( I freaking hate Google man. I am not really selling links on my blog; I only have 3 paid links that were put there just before 11/29 and my PR dropped even before that; I mostly do cross linking with my other sites.
thank you sir
goodbye
seams that everyone, I mean everyone, is having their websites out-page-ranked, selling or not selling links.
a google strategie to keep the webmaster’s fight on?
Google must not stop link selling
Because google must think webmasters
What is totally wrong, is that people (above) are removing what are in many cases legitimate links from their websites, through fear of damaging their own sites - this has to be wrong, and shows a level of influence that Google now has the content of sites and the behaviours of webmasters, which is very bad for the web………?
I agree with Kevin… We are always so concerned about Google and our page rank. If you are a writer “focus” on your content period! I know it’s easier said than done.. But seriously stop wasting valuable time.
You should be posting on Forums, engaging in your niche market, twitter, do things that will positively affect your website. Trust me Page rank doesn’t mean sh*t if you cannot convert your users.
Look at your short term and long term goals they are basically the same. Final result is ROI and I don’t care what your page rank is if you have a valuable service your client will buy from you.
Thanks for valuable information about sell and buy links
It is hard to understand the algorith how Google play with PR. But I think is more important the traffic of the site.
Google must not stop link selling
Because google must think webmasters
I understand that Google needs to make money, but if that is making the search results bias, it has to stop. Google needs to decide to be one of two things:
1, The peoples search engine
2, A bias but possibly more wealthy search engine
I have been reading your blog last couple of weeks and enjoy every bit. It’s a valuable information.
Google is my best friend but could be my worst enemy!
We always have to abide by there rules and not put in jeopardy our sites standing in the World Wide Web. Pr is not an important factor to consider and too many people think this is the litmus test on stature. We should mark our success by the number of relevant visitors converting on our site.
Let’s get the basics right first and play by Google’s rule. If we follow there simple guidelines we should succeed in a long and happy relationship.
Its very frustrating to see the PR drop, drop, drop… Everyday morning right from bed, its a nice feeling to see the PR has gone up,up, up…
Google must not stop link selling Because google must think webmasters. Thanks a lot
If things keep at this pace I might rename this blog to Daily Google Tips. Over the last two weeks we have been talking about Google every other day
Its very frustrating to see the PR drop, drop, drop Everyday morning right from bed, its a nice feeling to see the PR has gone up,up, up…
Well let me boo hoo with the rest of you. My blog was PR4 to a PR0 so there you have it. Doing the walk of shame. Until I noticed another one of my sites got a PR4 and I don’t even have content on the site. lolol
I feel better knowing regardless of what Google is doing or NOT there really isn’t one solution that makes sense. Therefore doe PR really matter? Sure if you are boasting about it, but be afraid very afraid, one day it won’t be there anymore.
More high quality links the better, but it’s very difficult to get high PR sites to link to you when they are afraid to lose their PR for doing it!
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Thank you for this information.
how often does the Google update PageRank?
It must be so gutting to get a pr drop that you’ve worked so hard for. Darn you google
Penalty or a slap on the hand, Google has to keep changing things up to keep those who are working to build their sites employed.
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Don’t you think, Google demanding more and more efforts on websites. Its really bad. Yeah Google should change time to time but this much. nope.
This was written in 2007, has there been any fresh thinking or information on this since?
I’d be very interested in views?
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Google: “You probably already know about Amazon, Engadget, Ebay, CNet, 4Chan, Wikipedia, and Jesusishitler.com; so we are going to give you results that you may not have known about, but that are equally as relevant
Yeah very google
The only reason I see for Google acting so “evil” is to force everybody, not to sell other ads on their website beside the Google ads. As you all know Google makes a lot of money from advertising and they try “to kill” all the competitors on the market.
If the people do not sell banners or links on their website because they are afraid to lose the pagerank, there is no other alternative than Adwords to promote a business on the web.
My stuff got demoted and I wouldn’t begin to know how to do what the penalties are for. Also, the links were no good. I have no clue why. I think Google needs to be slapped. If their not going to actually check who/what they are penalizing. My pages are FB and Tweet. I don’t sell anyhting.
I had a PR5 and google took it away because they would rather force advertisers to use their Adsense rather than web site owners advertising for them directly. Which in my opinion is a monopoly on the whole system.
PR means nothing when you think about it. If Google can manipulate the results at their whim, then what is a PR if it doesn’t really show the strength of the site?
My traffic had increased a lot since that date but I have never got my pr back even after placing no follow on all my links.
Ok, so if I frequent a mom blog that put a list together of a bunch of great mom blogs to check out and a bunch of us put that on our blog, that could be why? It’s like a mom blog directory. What’s wrong with that?
Well, till now I can’t get more PR. But if google give them pinalized, is it fair enought?
Hi Friends, yesterday(23/06/2009) google update the page rank again. Please check your page ranks
The funny thing is, bloggers whose page ranks dropped have published posts about how Google page rank is totally irrelevant, how it didn’t affect their search engine traffic and how it didn’t impact thier revenue. Well, if Google page rank didn’t matter, why bother make a post about it.
I’m sure your blog will show a more robust ranking in the next update